Page numbers for new hymns

Page numbers were included in the printed copy of the new hymns released in May 2024. The page numbers no longer appear when printed for the hymns/music released this year, but they do when printing music from the standard hymnal. Is that intentional?

aimazing wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 2:00 pm Page numbers were included in the printed copy of the new hymns released in May 2024. The page numbers no longer appear when printed for the hymns/music released this year, but they do when printing music from the standard hymnal. Is that intentional?

Unless another Forum member is aware of communication about this, I'd expect that we're on the "outside" just like yourself, and left to guess as to whether this is intentional or not. One aspect I haven't seen any details on, is whether the current numbering for the new hymns is simply transitional to support the concurrent "old-and-new-hymns", and whether the hymn numbering will be reset once the current hymnal is retired and only the new hymnal exists. That is, will all the new hymns be grouped together in the new hymnal (currently would be hymns 1-18, and 201-204), or will they be sprinkled throughout the hymnal? Obviously you'd still want any copies printed today to have the "1???" hymn numbers, since that's how we currently identify them beyond just the hymn name.

I took upon myself the task of creating printed copies of the new hymns to keep alongside the hymn books in the pews at my meetinghouse. I was also frustrated by the lack of numbers on the PDF files the church provides.

I wrote a tool that adds numbers to the hymns and generates a single PDF file that is suitable for printing double-sided and binding in a folder or binder. If you or someone you know is comfortable running Python applications you can use it.

https://github.com/williamjacksn/hymns

Would you attached the resulting pdf file?

I found one from a Facebook group and attached it here.

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Here is the document I generated.

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williamjackson wrote: Fri Oct 18, 2024 9:57 pm Here is the document I generated.

Thankyou very much for the file! Our Music Director will be very pleased.

I am an old lady I can hardly turn on my computer let alone open a newly generated document. Can't someone just post the numbers?
Why has the committee on the new hymn book made this so very difficult?

williamjackson wrote: Fri Oct 18, 2024 9:57 pm Here is the document I generated.

Thanks so much. I appreciate the blank pages that were added to eliminate page turns for the two-page hymns.

Thank you so much! You have made my job so much easier and less confusing. Appreciate your hard work!!

New hymns today. Attached here is my latest combined file with page numbers added.

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A wonderful file, thanks. Here are some hints for those updating books printed from the previous version of the file.

Print pages 35 and 57 of the new file. This will give you page 2 of hymn 1018 and will give you hymn 1201 on separate pages, instead of back to back as they are in the last version of the file.

Print pages 37 through 56 back to back.
Print pages 65 through 67 back to back.
This will give you the 15 new hymns and songs released yesterday.

Thanks again for the file. This has been a great blessing for our members, as we are regularly singing these new hymns in our sacrament meetings.

You are amazing! Thank you!

Will you create a file for the new hymns 2025 ( 15 +9) with offset for binding in a folder?
Your file for the original new hymns was most helpful!!!

Thank you,
Carol Smith

Hi,

Thank you for posting the pdf English new hymns with page numbers WilliamJackson. We are trying to print copies for our ward. I am not sure why when I download the whole pdf file of hymns from the church website that it doesn't convert the page numbers. The page numbers show up as dots.

We also have a Spanish ward in our building so we are trying to print both English and Spanish versions. Does WilliamJackson have a way to do the page numbers for the Spanish hymns so that they are numbers instead of dots? A file that we can save and download?

Thanks

Amy

Earlier in this topic williamjackson posted a link to the program he wrote that generates the new hymn file. I have looked at the code and believe it would be very labor intensive to make some of the changes requested here.

https://github.com/williamjacksn/hymns

Also earlier there is already a file with adjusted margins for offset printing. See this post. Perhaps that file will be updated soon.

And a suggestion through Feedback may trigger an effort at the Church to fix the page numbers in every language, which would be helpful in many ways for a lot of folks.

The Forum Code of Conduct does not allow the posting of copyrighted material without permission. After some discussion, it has been determined that the actual PDF hymn files in this topic should not be posted without additional permission. Although most of the new hymns carry Church copyright (IRI), a few of them do not. Out of an abundance of caution these files are being removed.

Acknowledging that these files are helpful in furthering the work of the Church, permission will be sought next week to return the latest file to the Forum.

You will still see the link to the program written by williamjackson which can be run by those able to use Python.

ams5 wrote: Sat Feb 15, 2025 1:10 pm We also have a Spanish ward in our building so we are trying to print both English and Spanish versions.

williamjackson has updated his program to support printing PDFs of the new hymns in Spanish. The update allows for printing in either English or Spanish, and allows for the selection of regular letter-sized paper (8-1/2 x 11) or A4 paper.

https://github.com/williamjacksn/hymns

You will need to find someone who is able to run Python code. Ask around. There will be someone in your area willing and able to do it.

Kudos to williamjackson for his willingness to share his talents and make this capability available.

The Forum has received permission to allow the posting of the new hymns, including files that combine them into one PDF file. The files may not include the Church logo and may not be sold. They must be freely available and intended for individual, noncommercial home and Church use.

Please note that there is a Download link near the top of the Church hymn page that also will download all of the new hymns with page numbers as a single PDF file. That file includes page numbers, but the file is not formatted in a way that printing it double-sided will keep a two-page hymn in view on the left and right sides of a booklet.

The two attached files include all of the new hymns with page numbers and page spacing so that all of a hymn may be viewed at one time when the file is printed double-sided. The English-language file has been posted here before, but no longer has the Church logo on the cover page. The Spanish-language file is new. Both of the attached files were generated using the Python program written by williamjackson and his work is greatly appreciated. A link to that program is included in earlier posts.

Note that Acrobat Reader has a "Booklet" function in the print dialog that can help format the pages for making a booklet. Still, I found I had to fold pages individually to get a nice flat fold and a paper cutter on the final product to get all the page edges to match.

If the intention is to print them out and stick them in the hymnbooks, I'd take the advice of Luke 14:28 - calculate the cost before starting the work.

I get the sense the hymns will be added to about once a quarter. There is only 12-13 Sundays in a quarter and the current file has 31 regular hymns. Multiply that by the number of hymnbooks in the chapel and it starts to add up.

russellhltn wrote: Fri Feb 21, 2025 8:38 pm If the intention is to print them out and stick them in the hymnbooks, I'd take the advice of Luke 14:28 - calculate the cost before starting the work.

Good advice.

We print them at regular letter size and keep them in separate three-prong folders, similar to what the ward choir often uses. And when a new batch comes out, we just print the new pages and add them to each folder.

But it is a manually intensive process. I am already looking forward to abandoning it late next year when the new hymnbook is scheduled to arrive.

Do you have an updated PDF you can share for the new hymns added this week?

The latest version is attached.

THANK YOU!

Does anyone have the newest release up to Hymn #1051, with the page numbers?

Would love it if you could post yet another updated PDF with the new Sept 2025 batch of hymns. Yours is the best such resource I've found. Thanks!

Here is the September 2025 version.

We got new hymns in February 2026. The English version is attached below, and you can download other languages and paper sizes here: https://github.com/williamjacksn/hymns/releases

Thank you so much for updating this!

I have always assumed that pagination will occur in final form once the hymnbook is printed,. However, the only way you can post the songs to the congregation is in the program or on the old number board at the front of the chapel. How can we incorporate the new unpaginated hymns with no numbers?? Our building has been printing them separately in folders, but with no numbers it is impossible to file them. Why didn't the committee responsible just keep on doing it the way it started out?? No explanation has been posted here. Kinda tearing out my hair!

We usually refer to the hymns by hymn numbers, not pages. The new hymns have numbers ranging from 1001 to 1209.

I'm pretty sure they can be set up for Sunday service in Gospel Library as well. That way members of the ward just open the app, tap on the hymn and go right to the music.

dmccrack2000 wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2026 4:07 pm How can we incorporate the new unpaginated hymns with no numbers?? Our building has been printing them separately in folders, but with no numbers it is impossible to file them.

Why don't you print the new hymns with their currently assigned hymn number? That's what our ward has done. The folder includes each new hymn with the currently assigned number printed at the top. I believe this forum thread has them already paginated so you could just print those.

If you navigate to:

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/med ... and-church

You'll see that they are in fact numbered:
I think that these assigned numbers are temporary, but that shouldn't matter as I don't think they will change until they print the final hymnal.

dmccrack2000 wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2026 4:07 pm How can we incorporate the new unpaginated hymns with no numbers?? Our building has been printing them separately in folders, but with no numbers it is impossible to file them.

They all have been given temporary numbers that we use and have included on the new hymns printed and included in folders in our chapel.

Check out this post (two posts before yours) from wiliamjackson that includes a file of the pdf copies of the new hymns from the Church website with the temporary numbers printed on them.

They are also available in Spanish, French, and Portuguese.

William, would you consider adding a print copy of hymns?
We share a building with other wards and one of the other wards is in charge of updating the new hymns booklet... but they don't.
So we end up printing handouts for newer hymns. (Half sheets, landscape; same on both sides; two pages for hymns that have two pages).
Only if you can automate it, of course. I have been making them by hand in photoshop as our music director requests.

t1op wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2026 9:47 am William, would you consider adding a print copy of hymns?

What exactly is meant by this? Is there something missing from the PDF? The PDF that William has provided should easily be printed. Or are you asking for someone to actually distribute a printed copy via snail mail?

We got new hymns in July 2026. The English version is attached below, and you can download other languages and paper sizes here: https://github.com/williamjacksn/hymns/releases

ambldsorg wrote: Fri Mar 13, 2026 3:39 pm

dmccrack2000 wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2026 4:07 pm How can we incorporate the new unpaginated hymns with no numbers?? Our building has been printing them separately in folders, but with no numbers it is impossible to file them.

Why don't you print the new hymns with their currently assigned hymn number? That's what our ward has done. The folder includes each new hymn with the currently assigned number printed at the top. I believe this forum thread has them already paginated so you could just print those.

Another option is to arrange them alphabetically.

Hey, I have been coming back to this thread to check if there had been an update for the new batch. Since I haven't seen one here, I googled and found a website that has the new hymns paginated by batch in multiple languages.

https://www.mynewhymns.com

cstevens wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2026 7:29 pm Since I haven't seen one here, ,,,

It is two posts before yours, where you are able to directly download the pdf file for printing..

You have provided a link to a site that will also provide a pdf file, but we would not be able to use it without changing the cover page to remove the ward, stake, and name of the prophet listed on the cover page.

The link in the post two before yours also tells you how to get the hymns in Spanish, French, or Portuguese if desired.

williamjackson wrote:
> We got new hymns in July 2026. The English version is attached below, and
> you can download other languages and paper sizes here:
> https://github.com/williamjacksn/hymns/releases
>
>
> hymns-eng-letter.pdf

Thank you for ALL that you do! This is very much appreciated!!!

Please enjoy this document that has been updated to include the hymns released in October 2026. You can download other languages and paper sizes here: https://github.com/williamjacksn/hymns/releases