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russellhltn
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#1
Larix Broadcaster is an app that will webcast with nothing more than an a smart phone. It can feed any number of distributions systems, including the Church Webcast system as well as YouTube.

Attached is a Word document that can be used as a starting point.
📎 Larix Broadcaster.docx (241.33 KiB)
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russellhltn
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#2

Re: Larix Broadcaster

First update: To zoom - use the touchscreen to expand and pinch just like a photo.
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kreeve
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#3

Re: Larix Broadcaster

Thanks for sharing this. Our building does not have hardware encoding device so I was hoping to find something I could still use the churches streaming distribution system for.

Will give it a try.

Kevin
Mikerowaved
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#4

Re: Larix Broadcaster

russellhltn wrote:First update: Zoom - use the touchscreen to expand and pinch just like a photo.
You might want to avoid the word "Zoom" as it can be easily confused with a product of the same name. I suggest using the word "Zooming", or the phrase, "To zoom".
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russellhltn
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#5

Re: Larix Broadcaster

Mikerowaved wrote:I suggest using the word "Zooming", or the phrase, "To zoom".
Done.
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sbradshaw
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#6

Re: Larix Broadcaster

Mikerowaved wrote:
russellhltn wrote:First update: Zoom - use the touchscreen to expand and pinch just like a photo.
You might want to avoid the word "Zoom" as it can be easily confused with a product of the same name. I suggest using the word "Zooming", or the phrase, "To zoom".
Or "Zoom in or out."
Samuel Bradshaw • If you desire to serve God, you are called to the work.
bretbassett
Church Employee
#7

Re: Larix Broadcaster

Thanks for this discussion thread. Attached is an example of what another Ward did with the free Larix Broadcaster App.
📎 Larix Broadcaster.pdf (4.15 MiB)
russellhltn
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#8

Re: Larix Broadcaster

I've read that the iPhone OS will kill the stream if anything else gets "focus". That's probably what's behind the requirement to silence all interruptions. However, I'm surprised that airplane mode with WiFi on would accomplish that.

If there is a choice, Android might be the better pick for it's ability to continue streaming while doing other things - like checking your battery level.
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dcmccarty
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#9
For anyone else who, like me, hasn't done anything with webcasting using the church's Webcast 3.0 and you don't have a Teradek device and don't know where to start, here are a few steps that the previous users have assumed you knew and skipped over:

1) Go to https://webcast.churchofjesuschrist.org
2) You can get help there on getting started, but one thing you will need to do is click on the "Teredek" button and add a new device. Yes, you don't have one, but that's OK. Just click the button, name it "phone" or something like that and leave the rest blank/default and click add.
3) Now you can schedule an event. Select "phone" as your teredek device
4) After it is scheduled, the meeting will show up on your dashboard. At the top right is a gear that says "setup" click it and go to "Other setup". Here you will find the RTMP URL and stream name.
5) Proceed with the other instructions on this page.

NOTE: I'm still experimenting and trying to get this to work, so if I've said something wrong above, I'm hoping someone else who knows more about it than me will correct me. Thanks!
russellhltn
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#10
dcmccarty wrote:but one thing you will need to do is click on the "Teredek" button and add a new device. Yes, you don't have one, but that's OK. Just click the button, name it "phone" or something like that and leave the rest blank/default and click add.
3) Now you can schedule an event. Select "phone" as your teredek device
When scheduling, you can simply select "Other". Creating a dummy entry for "Phone" isn't necessary.

And you're right, I did skip over a number of details as I was focused on the "origination" end and not "distribution".
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magiciancomus
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#11
If a cell phone is used as the origination of the broadcast how do you use the best practices of disabling the wifi to ensure bandwidth?
russellhltn
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#12
magiciancomus wrote:If a cell phone is used as the origination of the broadcast how do you use the best practices of disabling the wifi to ensure bandwidth?
Short of brining in a Router/AP to plug into the podium, you don't.

However, turn out seems to be really small. (Maybe 40 members) And with shorter services, there isn't as much temptation to start doing things with the phone.

So far, it hasn't been an issue. But I know some bishops are planning on asking members to put their phones into airplane mode for the benefit of others.

So far, there's been 5 webcasts in my stake (that I know of) and no problems that have come back to me.
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ulupoi
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#13

Re: Larix Broadcaster

bretbassett wrote:Thanks for this discussion thread. Attached is an example of what another Ward did with the free Larix Broadcaster App.
Thank you very much for these excellent instructions!
ulupoi
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#14
russellhltn wrote:Larix Broadcaster is an app that will webcast with nothing more than an a smart phone. It can feed any number of distributions systems, including the Church Webcast system as well as YouTube.

Attached is a Word document that can be used as a starting point.
Thank you very much for these instructions! Combined with Brett Bassett's PDF and the meetinghouse webcast 3.0 how-to guide, it inspires confidence that we could actually get this to work without too much trouble.
ulupoi
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#15

Re: Larix Broadcaster

russellhltn wrote:I've read that the iPhone OS will kill the stream if anything else gets "focus". That's probably what's behind the requirement to silence all interruptions. However, I'm surprised that airplane mode with WiFi on would accomplish that.

If there is a choice, Android might be the better pick for it's ability to continue streaming while doing other things - like checking your battery level.
I haven't tried it yet, but I think that the Do Not Disturb setting on the iPhone might solve this problem. Has anyone tried this?
hicksticks2001
New Member
#16
Great post Russell - thanks for sharing Larix Broadcaster - I may use this in a pinch if we ever have an outdoor meeting we want to broadcast and don't have time to bring our other stake equipment.
-Aaron Hixson
Payson Utah Mountain View Stake
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Mikerowaved
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#17
Here are the instructions I wrote up for our stake, following a successful demonstration to the stake presidency of using Larix Broadcaster on an Android phone to uplink an audio/video feed to the church Meetinghouse Webcast system. Please note, the buildings in our stake have ample bandwidth to stream at the default video rate of 2000Kbps. Your situation may be different. These instructions were based on an Android phone. They may differ some for iOS or Windows phones.
INSTALLING, CONFIGURING, AND RUNNING THE LARIX BROADCASTER APP

1. Install Larix Broadcaster and open
2. Allow the permission requests (Camera, Microphone, Storage, etc)
3. Open Settings (tap on gear in upper right corner)
4. Click on Video
5. Change Video size to 1920x1080
6. Change FPS to 30 fixed rate
7. Check the Background Streaming box (Larix will restart)

These are all the changes needed from the default setup and shouldn't need to be revisited.

Prior to Sunday you'll be sent the RTMP stream credentials to enter into Larix for your upcoming sacrament meeting. It will be similar to the following:

[url=rtmp://MHW-40-12345.westus2.cloudapp.azure.com/169P/1234567890abcdef1]rtmp://MHW-40-12345.westus2.cloudapp.azure.com/169P/1234567890abcdef1[/url]

After receiving it:
1. Open Larix Broadcaster
2. Go to Settings --> Connections (If there are any old connections listed, you can safely delete them using a long-press on the connection name, then select Delete [Connection Name].)
3. Select New Connection
4. For Name, enter any name, such as, "KC Sacrament mtg 9/27"
5. For URL, carefully paste in the entire URL you were sent
6. Scroll down and press SAVE
7. Make sure the new connection is the ONLY one checked.
8. Press the arrow in the upper-left corner (or your phone's back button) until all Settings are closed.
That's it! You can close the app until Sunday. Be sure your phone gets a healthy charge Saturday night!

For Sacrament Meeting:
1. To avoid interruptions from incoming calls, texts, or email, put your phone in "Airplane" mode, then switch back on the WiFi
2. If you haven’t already, accept the terms of the Liahona splash screen
3. Open Larix Broadcaster
4. To toggle the camera view from back to front, tap the small circle opposite the big red circle
5. ALWAYS POSITION YOUR PHONE HORIZONTALLY IN THE HOLDER
6. Tap the red circle to go live. It should turn into a red square.
7. Prior to the sacrament, tap the red square to stop the webcast.

If Larix fails to connect, it will tell you at the bottom of the screen. Double check that you correctly entered the RTMP URL you were sent and it's the ONLY connection selected. Text the STS at xxx-xxx-xxxx.

Note 1: The stream won't connect until 1 hour prior to your meeting's start time.
Note 2: The stream will be delayed on receiving devices anywhere from 30-120 seconds.
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azanoncello
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#18
I'm a bishop and I went to the webcast website. It doesn't seem to let me setup any locations, devices or schedule anything. I'm assuming only the stake technology specialist has access to get this setup? Is that correct?
russellhltn
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#19
azanoncello wrote:I'm a bishop and I went to the webcast website. It doesn't seem to let me setup any locations, devices or schedule anything. I'm assuming only the stake technology specialist has access to get this setup? Is that correct?
The Stake Technology Specialist, or an Assistant Technology Specialist. Both are stake callings. But a recent letter pushes the stakes to call an assistant for each ward.
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mrichman
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#20
Sorry that I am coming in on this a little late to the party on this and I apologize if the answer is elsewhere on these forums, but is there any ability to have repeat meetings.

Meaning the rtmp URL's can be reused each week by the wards and members accessing the event? Allowing for less complication each week?

Thank You,
Michael
russellhltn
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#21
mrichman wrote:Meaning the rtmp URL's can be reused each week by the wards and members accessing the event?
For the person originating the broadcast? No.

For the viewers? There's a couple of options. You could send them to the stake page were all the public events will be listed. Or, you could use a URL shortener and update where that points to each week.
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mevans
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mrichman wrote:Sorry that I am coming in on this a little late to the party on this and I apologize if the answer is elsewhere on these forums, but is there any ability to have repeat meetings.
Meaning the rtmp URL's can be reused each week by the wards and members accessing the event? Allowing for less complication each week?
If you are referring to the church webcast system, no you cannot reuse the RTMP URL/stream id. You need to create a new one for each broadcast. To simplify things, some stakes create a meeting for each building and set it to run all Sunday.
mrichman
New Member
#23
Thank you both very much!

Are there any issues having a stream that stops and starts throughout the day?
russellhltn
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#24
mrichman wrote:Are there any issues having a stream that stops and starts throughout the day?
I don't know. And even if it's OK now, it may not stay that way.
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lajackson
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#25
mrichman wrote:Are there any issues having a stream that stops and starts throughout the day?
There does not seem to be a problem. This evening a clerk and I took turns running a Larix Broadcast on the same Webcast meeting reservation. When each of us dropped the feed, the Tabernacle Choir started singing, and as each of us started sending again, the webcast resumed.

During Live events, the Stake Technology Specialist normally will get an email when the feed to a webcast stops, but the meeting is still available to pick up again until the time reserved for the meeting has ended.
lajackson
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#26
Mikerowaved wrote:Here are the instructions I wrote up for our stake
This evening we received an email that the encoder target rate exceeded the maximum encode rate (2929:2300) - Please reduce the encode rate on your encoder. We were running Larix on an iOS phone.

What setting did we miss?
russellhltn
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#27
lajackson wrote:There does not seem to be a problem. This evening a clerk and I took turns running a Larix Broadcast on the same Webcast meeting reservation. When each of us dropped the feed, the Tabernacle Choir started singing, and as each of us started sending again, the webcast resumed.
That's fine in testing, but what if you schedule a long session for the building and each ward turns their feed on/off? In other words, you schedule for 4 hours, but there's a 30-45 minute gap of no streaming before the next ward starts? I'm guessing that's what the person was thinking about. It might work. Then again, the second or third ward may make an unpleasant discovery if the rules change.
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lajackson
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#28
russellhltn wrote:That's fine in testing, but what if you schedule a long session for the building and each ward turns their feed on/off? In other words, you schedule for 4 hours, but there's a 30-45 minute gap of no streaming before the next ward starts? I'm guessing that's what the person was thinking about. It might work. Then again, the second or third ward may make an unpleasant discovery if the rules change.
As far as I know, it works fine now. If a stake conference ends on time the webcast servers will still stay on until I turn them off. I have gone over an hour without a feed and not lost them.

I am sending you a PM with an extra line I chose not to put in this post, but I am almost certain you will enjoy it. [grin]
russellhltn
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#29
lajackson wrote:This evening we received an email that the encoder target rate exceeded the maximum encode rate (2929:2300) - Please reduce the encode rate on your encoder. We were running Larix on an iOS phone.

What setting did we miss?
I'd look over the document for Broadcast to YouTube from iPhone. Based on the screen shots, Under Settings, Audio/Video Encoding, there's a "Avg Bitrate". Based on the screen shot, the default may be 3000 kbits/sec. I'd suggest knocking it down to 2000. Maybe lower depending on your available upload bandwidth.
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russellhltn
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#30
lajackson wrote:As far as I know, it works fine now.
And when is the last time we got a timely notice of a change? [grin]

Having the servers run is likely "running the meter". Someone may decide on a cost-cutting move.
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lajackson
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#31
For the sacrament, the instructions say to tap the red square. I thought this would turn off the video and audio and send a blank stream. In both Android and iOS this evening, tapping the button ended the stream and the Choir started singing until we tapped the button again to continue webcasting.

Is there a setting that determines this?
Mikerowaved
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#32
russellhltn wrote:
lajackson wrote:This evening we received an email that the encoder target rate exceeded the maximum encode rate (2929:2300) - Please reduce the encode rate on your encoder. We were running Larix on an iOS phone.

What setting did we miss?
I'd look over the document for Broadcast to YouTube from iPhone. Based on the screen shots, Under Settings, Audio/Video Encoding, there's a "Avg Bitrate". Based on the screen shot, the default may be 3000 kbits/sec. I'd suggest knocking it down to 2000. Maybe lower depending on your available upload bandwidth.
Sorry, don't know about iPhones, but the default setting in Larix Broadcaster for video BW on an Android is 2000kb/s. That's been working great for us. As russellhltn pointed out, this is the upper limit. You may have to reduce it further for buildings with limited upload BW.
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Mikerowaved
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#33
lajackson wrote:For the sacrament, the instructions say to tap the red square. I thought this would turn off the video and audio and send a blank stream. In both Android and iOS this evening, tapping the button ended the stream and the Choir started singing until we tapped the button again to continue webcasting.

Is there a setting that determines this?
We have no control over this. Whenever Meetinghouse Webcast is not receiving a valid upload, it sends out a pre-recorded stream to all viewers. Our SP has asked that at the end of sacrament meeting we have a closing hymn, closing prayer, turn off the webcast, then administer the sacrament. The webcast is never restarted.
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russellhltn
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#34
lajackson wrote:For the sacrament, the instructions say to tap the red square. I thought this would turn off the video and audio and send a blank stream. In both Android and iOS this evening, tapping the button ended the stream and the Choir started singing until we tapped the button again to continue webcasting.
Tap verses long press.

Tap = end
Long press = black/muted stream

At least it's that way with the current version on Android.
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lajackson
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#35
Mikerowaved wrote:Whenever Meetinghouse Webcast is not receiving a valid upload, it sends out a pre-recorded stream to all viewers.
I knew that. I was trying to figure out how russellhltn blanked and muted his meeting in the feed he let us watch.
russellhltn wrote:Tap verses long press.

Tap = end
Long press = black/muted stream

At least it's that way with the current version on Android.
I have passed the info on to the clerk trying to use the iOS phone. We saw enough other iOS problems that he may try to get his hands on an Android if he goes the phone route.

Thanks, both of you, for your responses.
russellhltn
Community Administrator
#36
Checking the Apple App store, that feature was introduced on Sep 20, 2020 in verson 1.0.66. So they should have it.

However, I've been told that iOS will pause the stream anytime something else gets focus. So, you can't do anything such as checking the battery levels once the stream starts.
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Mikerowaved
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#37
russellhltn wrote:However, I've been told that iOS will pause the stream anytime something else gets focus. So, you can't do anything such as checking the battery levels once the stream starts.
I know in the Android version there's a switch available in both the Video and Advanced options settings called Background streaming. The explanation below it says, "Keep streaming when not in focus". I'm wondering if the person who reported the problem of the iPhone stream stopping anytime it lost focus had this switch set.

Can someone with Larix Broadcasting on an iPhone confirm this switch exists on their version and it works as expected?
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johnv
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#38
Has anyone tried or figured out the best method using Larix for the following:

This is what I would like to be able to do, I don't have the parts yet, and don't know if it would even work, but looking to try and willing to purchase a few items if it will work:

1. I would like to add audio from the tape recorder output at the sacrament table to the 3.5mm headphone/mic jack in LG V60 smartphone? i.e. 50' 3.5mm male to male audio cable (does it need the crab box to do this?)

2. I would like to connect to building ethernet via usb c with a usb C to ethernet adapter? (in order to shut off wifi during broadcast)

3. I would like to power the phone simultaneously with the ethernet, but not sure if this is possible and is secondary to ethernet working as my battery should hold for the short length of the meeting?

LG V60 smartphone w/Android 10.

This seems to be the least complicated method to broadcast to a youtube channel and give out a tinyurl for the broadcast and each member can subscribe to the channel and get onto the broadcast very easily each week. This part is working well for us now with laptop, camera, mixer using OBS and youtube live, but it's a complicated setup that I would like others to be able to do easily in case I'm not there, etc.

I just tested Larix a few days ago and it was very simple and easy to use, I just want to have clean audio and hardwire into the building to not have to worry about wifi, cellular connections.

Thanks for your thoughts and ideas.

John
russellhltn
Community Administrator
#39
johnv wrote:1. I would like to add audio from the tape recorder output at the sacrament table to the 3.5mm headphone/mic jack in LG V60 smartphone? i.e. 50' 3.5mm male to male audio cable (does it need the crab box to do this?)
Yes, there's been a number of posts on that subject. It's not as simple as getting one cable, since the "record out" is line level and the phone will want "mic level" and uses a TRRS connector. I'd start with Getting Audio right with Virtual Sacrament Meeetings.
johnv wrote:2. I would like to connect to building ethernet via usb c with a usb C to ethernet adapter? (in order to shut off wifi during broadcast)

3. I would like to power the phone simultaneously with the ethernet, but not sure if this is possible and is secondary to ethernet working as my battery should hold for the short length of the meeting?
I'd suggest looking at Less Expensive POE Solution for Mevo. I'm not sure if it will work with your phone, but it's worth a try.
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justinmcclure
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#40
Larix added a $10 a month subscription to use the software longer than 30 minutes.

Anyone have alternatives?
ulupoi
Member
#41
I think that everyone has been using Zoom since the Church made licenses available for every unit.
Mikerowaved
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#42
ulupoi wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2023 4:19 pm I think that everyone has been using Zoom since the Church made licenses available for every unit.
I know many stakes (including ours) that prefer YouTube Live for many reasons. Our preferred method is using Larix Broadcaster on a cellphone.

I'm looking into how to get all the Android mobile phones using Larix on the same Google account. From Larix:
https://softvelum.com/larix/premium/ wrote:Q1: Can I use the same subscription under different devices?

If you use the same account on multiple devices, you can use the one subscription to unlock Premium or NDI subscription on each of them. If you use the same Apple ID on several iPhones in your production setup, you will pay for only one subscription and use it on each of those devices. The same applies to your Google account and Android phones.

Current limit is 10 (ten) devices per one Apple ID or Google account.
My stake president would prefer to pay the $10/mo fee for the whole stake while we research other solutions. The SP may choose to keep the fee in place indefinitely, or until such time cameras are allowed to be permanently mounted in ward buildings.
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ulupoi
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#43
You’re probably better off sending your Zoom feed to YouTube Live. It’s not something that I do, but people do it, and it doesn’t seem that hard. One of our wards streams their Zoom feed on Facebook Live. Here are some instructions for sending your Zoom feed to YouTube Live:

https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articl ... on-YouTube

To connect HDMI cameras to our computer for Zoom, we use an Elgato HD60 S+. The Elgato HD60 S+ has a UVC driver, which makes it compatible with Zoom because it makes it recognizable as a webcam. (The Elgato HD60 S is not compatible because it does not have a UVC driver, so be sure to look for that + sign if you want to buy one.) The HD60 S+ also has a line-in jack so you can connect it to the chapel’s line-out jack for optimal sound quality. (Be sure to turn on the “Original Sound” setting in Zoom for best audio quality. It makes a huge difference for music.)

How to switch between HDMI and analog audio sources for the Elgato HD60 S+ (Windows instructions):
Download and install “4K Capture Utility” from the Elgato website: https://www.elgato.com/en/downloads
Open 4K Capture Utility
Open Preferences (Gear icon in upper-right corner of screen)
Go to the Device tab
In the “Audio Input:” menu, select “Analog Audio.” (Select “HDMI Audio” to reverse this.)
Click Apply and then OK.
Close the 4K Capture Utility.
Stop Zoom video and restart it. (You might not get analog audio to start if you don’t do this.)
These instructions are from the following website. (You can find Mac instructions there, too.) https://help.elgato.com/hc/en-us/articl ... lit-SLOBS-

Of course, you can also just use your phone or tablet as your camera with the Zoom app and skip all the Elgato stuff.
russellhltn
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#44
Mikerowaved wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 12:07 am I'm looking into how to get all the Android mobile phones using Larix on the same Google account.
Hopefully you can log into Larix, but I have a bad feeling that it's using the primary account for the phone, which makes it impractical for members to use their own phone.
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Mikerowaved
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#45
russellhltn wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 2:45 am
Mikerowaved wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 12:07 am I'm looking into how to get all the Android mobile phones using Larix on the same Google account.
Hopefully you can log into Larix, but I have a bad feeling that it's using the primary account for the phone, which makes it impractical for members to use their own phone.
The webcasting phones in my stake are inexpensive Galaxy A01 phones which are carrier-locked (which isn't a problem because they will never be activated). They are stake property, so putting them under the same account will be pretty easy. They might already be, I'll have to check.
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justinmcclure
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#46
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I have been using my own phone. My bishop decided to pay for it for now but I am looking into an alternative. Will try Zoom out and see if our Ward has an account - I have never been given access if we do have one.
justinmcclure
New Member
#47
So I got the login after my Bishop tracked down the information.

I have been testing it some and there is an ugly Zoom watermark that cannot be removed when Livestreaming through Zoom.

Kind of annoying - that didn't exist when we were using Zoom during Covid.
Wattsuk
Member
#48
The Zoom watermark has always been there for us?
I just double checked by watching back one of the test recordings I made a couple of years ago.
I presumed that higher tier Zoom accounts may have an option to remove the watermark?
lajackson
Community Moderators
#49
Wattsuk wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 2:31 am The Zoom watermark has always been there for us?
I just double checked by watching back one of the test recordings I made a couple of years ago.
I presumed that higher tier Zoom accounts may have an option to remove the watermark?
Yes, it has been there all along. There is a way to replace it, but the owner of our Enterprise accounts (i.e., the Church) has not taken the steps with Zoom to enable replacement.