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Music callings and editing hymns, and no Chorister

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craiggsmith
Senior Member
#1
First, why is there no Chorister calling? That is the most common music calling we have. I saw a note about it being deleted in 2016. What are you supposed to assign for a chorister? Is that what Music Leader is supposed to be? In all my wards all my life we have called the person a chorister. Yes, we do often say that someone leads music, but in the context of callings a leader implies the person who is in charge. Of course I guess that is music coordinator? Not sure why they picked that term.

Second, what callings have access to the future hymn list? Music coordinator and the bishopric appear to be able to edit them, but I think others do. But the accompanist and "chorister" need to be able to see them ahead of time so they can prepare, but cannot.
Craig
Saint George, UT
greenwoodkl
Member
#2
I would reference this topic thread: Access to Sacrament Hymns beyond Sunday.
BrianEdwards
Senior Member
#3
craiggsmith wrote: Sun Aug 17, 2025 9:45 am First, why is there no Chorister calling? That is the most common music calling we have. I saw a note about it being deleted in 2016. What are you supposed to assign for a chorister? Is that what Music Leader is supposed to be? In all my wards all my life we have called the person a chorister. Yes, we do often say that someone leads music, but in the context of callings a leader implies the person who is in charge. Of course I guess that is music coordinator? Not sure why they picked that term.
I'd suggest reading section 19.4 in the General Handbook. That describes the current standard music callings in the Church that we're talking about here. You are correct that the Church has changed calling names for music (and other areas) throughout the years, and it's been tricky sometimes to keep up-to-date. It has been mentioned that although we might want to keep using previous names like "chorister" for a calling, it's often important to make sure that at least in LCR the correct (standard) calling is used, so that the member has the appropriate access.

I'd also note that currently according to the Handbook, if only one member is called to serve in the Music area, they should likely be given the "top-level" calling of Ward Music Coordinator (who can also lead the music if needed), and not Ward Music Leader (which is described as an optional additional calling). I'm sure there's plenty of wards that have this the opposite way and it might work out, but at least that's the way I read the Handbook ;)
craiggsmith
Senior Member
#4
greenwoodkl wrote: Sun Aug 17, 2025 10:59 am I would reference this topic thread: Access to Sacrament Hymns beyond Sunday.
BrianEdwards wrote: Sun Aug 17, 2025 11:27 pm I'd suggest reading section 19.4 in the General Handbook. That describes the current standard music callings in the Church that we're talking about here. You are correct that the Church has changed calling names for music (and other areas) throughout the years, and it's been tricky sometimes to keep up-to-date. It has been mentioned that although we might want to keep using previous names like "chorister" for a calling, it's often important to make sure that at least in LCR the correct (standard) calling is used, so that the member has the appropriate access.

I'd also note that currently according to the Handbook, if only one member is called to serve in the Music area, they should likely be given the "top-level" calling of Ward Music Coordinator (who can also lead the music if needed), and not Ward Music Leader (which is described as an optional additional calling). I'm sure there's plenty of wards that have this the opposite way and it might work out, but at least that's the way I read the Handbook ;)
Thanks both of you. Sorry, I should have read the handbook. For some reason it seems I can never find what I'm looking for when I search though. That other thread was tremendously useful, especially the FAQ that it points to. It says:

"If your calling is recorded as one of these, it will need to be updated: Music Adviser (no longer defined in the General Handbook), Music Chairman (now Music Coordinator), Music Director (now Music Leader), Chorister (now Music Leader), Organist or Pianist (now Accompanist)." I'm still not sure why those chose the term Music Leader.

I didn't realize anyone could see all the hymns without needing edit rights, good to know. However it says Assistant Clerk should even have edit rights, but I don't even have the Callings card on my home page, and it does not show up in Edit Home to add.
Craig
Saint George, UT
sbradshaw
Community Moderators
#5
craiggsmith wrote: Mon Aug 18, 2025 11:27 am I didn't realize anyone could see all the hymns without needing edit rights, good to know. However it says Assistant Clerk should even have edit rights, but I don't even have the Callings card on my home page, and it does not show up in Edit Home to add.
Are you signed in with your Church Account (and does your account have your membership record number attached – i.e. is it the same account that gives you access to online tools like Leader and Clerk Resources)?

Also, currently only the generic "Ward Assistant Clerk" calling gives edit access to hymns – not "Ward Assistant Clerk--Membership" or "Ward Assistant Clerk--Finance." Is it a membership or finance calling you have?
Samuel Bradshaw • If you desire to serve God, you are called to the work.
craiggsmith
Senior Member
#6
sbradshaw wrote: Mon Aug 18, 2025 12:52 pm
Are you signed in with your Church Account (and does your account have your membership record number attached – i.e. is it the same account that gives you access to online tools like Leader and Clerk Resources)?

Also, currently only the generic "Ward Assistant Clerk" calling gives edit access to hymns – not "Ward Assistant Clerk--Membership" or "Ward Assistant Clerk--Finance." Is it a membership or finance calling you have?
Ok I thought that might be the case, I am just a membership clerk. But yes I am logged in with my correct account.
Craig
Saint George, UT
ambldsorg
Member
#7
craiggsmith wrote: Mon Aug 18, 2025 11:27 am I didn't realize anyone could see all the hymns without needing edit rights, good to know.
Technically, only those with "smart" phones that run "apps" are allowed to see all hymns.
craiggsmith
Senior Member
#8
ambldsorg wrote: Tue Aug 19, 2025 8:04 am Technically, only those with "smart" phones that run "apps" are allowed to see all hymns.
True.
Craig
Saint George, UT