Class and Quorum Attendance LCR - Who has rights?

Where can I can see who has rights to record attendance for each organization? For example, do Sunday School and Primary teachers have the rights to record?

robertbrandi wrote:Where can I can see who has rights to record attendance for each organization? For example, do Sunday School and Primary teachers have the rights to record?

There is an Access Table at Leader and Clerk Resources. According to that table, teachers are not able to record attendance online. Members of the Sunday School and Primary presidencies do have access.

We need a better process for individual classes to record attendance and communicate it to the organization secretary/presidency to enter into LCR. It's probably not realistic to expect every class to record attendance using LCR or Member Tools (even if they had access rights, which they don't). Do secretaries need the ability to print paper rolls for this purpose?

Secretaries can already print paper rolls if that’s what is needed in your local unit.

Primary secretaries are listed as being members of Primary presidencies, but our primary secretary is reporting that she does not have access. Can anyone confirm that your Primary Secretary has the ability to access the Class and Quorum attendance tool?

Thanks.

Primary secretaries are listed as being members of Primary presidencies

I understand it's easy to get confused about Presidencies, I know in some places Secretaries are listed as members of Presidencies (or the Ward Clerk as a member of the Bishopric). However, GHB 12.3.2 and 12.3.3 list the Primary Secretary as outside the Primary Presidency, so I expect the Access Table listing of "Primary Presidency" does exclude the secretary.

The secretary being outside the presidency is also reflected in that when a Primary President is released, only the Counselors must also be released (even if they're going to be re-sustained to the exact same callings), while the secretary remains unaffected (unless her calling is also changing, of course!).

Of course, the question of whether the Primary Secretary should have access to the class rolls, is a different issue, and I agree that the answer is definitely "yes"! The only way to push for this to change would be to submit feedback on any page in LCR.

As a long time clerk I was aware of that. It might be nice if at least the access tool separated out the secretarys as a separate entity from the presidency so we could know for sure what their access was.

If your Primary secretary is using the correct account, she should have access.

Thanks for the info, I'll follow up with her on that.

If your Primary secretary is using the correct account, she should have access

Once again, "Primary Presidency" definition is different! Looks like I was wrong whether the secretary would be included in the "Presidency" category for LCR Access. I'm glad to be wrong in this case, it's good for secretaries to have access to class rolls.

Sigh. Maybe we need to start using a "Presidency+" designation to specify if we're talking about the secretary included or not!

Just as a follow up, our primary secretary was able to get access after resolving an issue with her login.

We have encountered the same problem with the Primary Secretary apparently not having access to the Class and Quorum Attendance function in LCR or in the App. If I am understanding the response given to this issue, there seems to be an issue with the Secretary's account that would need to be updated. Can anyone elaborate on how to insure that the Secretary's account is correct?

douglasn1 wrote:Can anyone elaborate on how to insure that the Secretary's account is correct?

Make sure the MRN on the account matches the MRN of the person holding that position. (Members will sometimes use a spouse's account, or they used the MRN on their temple recommend which was swapped with someone else's.)

Also verify that the calling is recorded as a standard position and not a custom position with the same name. Custom positions never grant rights.

douglasn1 wrote:Can anyone elaborate on how to insure that the Secretary's account is correct?

Common issues with access to LCR arise when:

1. A member shares a Church Account with their spouse or has their spouse MRN recorded in their account profile. Each Church Account can have only one membership record number (MRN) registered in the user profile and permissions granted to the Church Account are dependent on that MRN.
   To verify the account is correct: Open the account (account.churchofjesuschrist.org) and look in the Profile > Membership section to see what MRN is displayed.
2. The member's Church Account does not have a MRN registered in the user profile. A quick method to see if the account is a member account is to log onto ChurchofJesusChrist.org and try to access either the Ward Directory and Map or Calendar. If unable to access either of those programs most likely means the account does not have the member's MRN registered in the user profile, or the incorrect MRN is recorded.
3. The calling recorded for the member is not the standard calling. While a custom calling can be spelled exactly the same as the standard calling it will not have any access permissions. Custom callings will be identified with an "*" before it when viewing callings in LCR. Callings viewed in Member Tools and the Ward Directory and Map do not differentiate between standard and custom.

Procedures for correcting Church Account issues are found in the first thread in the Church Account forum titled PLEASE READ FIRST: Answers to Most Church Account Problems.

Just had a conversation about this with our primary where they would like to go paperless and have primary teachers record their rolls online in LCR or Member Tools. As it stands now primary teachers can't even see who is in their class unless it's printed off by someone with LCR access much less record their rolls. I would submit for limited access to teachers to see their rolls and record attendance.

jake.buhler wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 3:33 pm ... I would submit for limited access to teachers to see their rolls and record attendance.

Please remember that this is just a user-to-user discussion forum. Any official requests for changes in tool capabilities will need to go through official channels: 1) the Feedback link or button; 2) unit leadership and up the chain of command.