sbradshaw wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2026 5:26 pm
If a lot of people mark emails from a specific email address as spam (like the email address "
noreply-lcr@mail.churchofjesuschrist.org", which is used for LCR messages), it would be reasonable for Yahoo or other companies to block it.
This is a fair point.
All the more reason why LCR needs to make email delivery failures more visible to those who are sending emails instead of an obscure message that states
"The recipients below were rejected by the server. Please verify their email addresses". If LCR were to provide actual bounce messages or delivery status notifications that include the real reason given by Yahoo or other companies for the reason why the message is failing to be delivered, then something could actually be done about it. But leaving things the way they are---as an extremely opaque mechanism---just exacerbates the problem.
I do know at least one person who uses Yahoo and is still receiving local ward and stake messages, which suggests to me that Yahoo does in fact
not block
noreply-lcr@mail.churchofjesuschrist.org. If they did, no Yahoo users would be able to receive the messages. Regarding the noreply-lcr address... it's actually just a From header, and not the actual envelope delivery address that is used during SMTP and which Yahoo or other companies might use to block messages. The actual address looks more like:
Code:
01000c106306cfa0-ed0eb3b9-ae2d-45d0-889b-68e4849b9b92-000000@ses.mail.churchofjesuschrist.org
Again, Yahoo could block *@ses.mail.churchofjesuschrist.org but then no Yahoo users would be able to receive Church communications. As far as I know, this is not the case.
Furthermore, most Big Corp Mail Provider don't actually reject email when a user utilizes the "This is spam" function; what they actually do is just blackhole further email communications from the sender so they don't show up in the inbox.
I'm still inclined to believe that the most likely cause of the failures is the account-level Amazon SES Suppression List, and not Yahoo. And given that the Church uses Amazon SES and has control of their account and relationship with Amazon SES, it should be possible for these members to at least confirm whether or not their addresses are on the suppression list and request that they be removed.
sbradshaw wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2026 5:26 pm
Yahoo's loyalty is to its customers with email accounts,
They have customers? I don't know of anyone who actually pays Yahoo for email services.
Joking aside, it's in Yahoo's best interest to not wantonly block emails in this fashion because then their "customers" will abandon their service.