CDOL - list of callings visible

Should the Stake Communications Director (in LCR) appear in CDOL when searched by their name?
The CC Communication Director has asked to add the Stake Communications Director to CDOL, but I don't know how to do that.
I thought leader callings automatically appeared in CDOL after being added in LCR.

Is there a link on how to do this?

Thanks

oskarvikor wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 5:37 am Should the Stake Communications Director (in LCR) appear in CDOL when searched by their name?

It may depend on who's looking. As a STS, if I look in CDOL, all I see is the Stake Presidency, Patriarch, and Technology Specialist.

oskarvikor wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 5:37 am Should the Stake Communications Director (in LCR) appear in CDOL when searched by their name?
The CC Communication Director has asked to add the Stake Communications Director to CDOL, but I don't know how to do that.
I thought leader callings automatically appeared in CDOL after being added in LCR.

Is there a link on how to do this?

Thanks

Thems some very old instructions IMHO - What it means, if I read correctly, is 'make sure the calling is recorded appropriately by the Stake Clerk' So as long as they can get into the online tools they need, they're good-to-go

The CC Communication Director can't see the Stake Communication Director in CDOL. (Neither can I)

There are two things to consider. First, the callings that are included in CDOL are limited. Second, what callings are visible to those who do have CDOL access is dependent on the calling they have. The authoritative user on the forum that can address CDOL callings is our resident CDOL software engineer, jonesrk. If he doesn't see this thread to respond, the next best thing is to call Global Services Department (GSD) support.

oskarvikor wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 2:05 am The CC Communication Director can't see the Stake Communication Director in CDOL. (Neither can I)

The new CDOL has its own set of permissions by position. I'm not in charge of that one so I can't tell if that's a permissions issue or intentional. From what I can see I don't think they are exposing the Stake Communication Director in the new CDOL so I'm not sure if any could see it there.

Does the CC Communication Director have other tools to see the Stake Communication Director? Have they been given direction to look in CDOL for the Stake Communication Director? Can they see other Stake Communication Directors?

It sounds to me like the CC Communication Director needs to give some feedback that they need some way to be able to see the Stake Communication Directors that they are supposed to work with.

I've currently got a multi-stake calling (no CDOL access), and it's unclear to me (and my higher-ups from what I can tell) how to get my calling made visible to different leaders in the various stakes. I'm not certain the Church has a comprehensive solution for callings that span multiple-stakes, beyond the standard Area Seventy type of positions. CDOL of course seems like a natural option, but not only is there an issue with getting a calling into CDOL, there's also visibility issues for those with CDOL access, not to mention those many leaders who correctly do not have CDOL access and thus couldn't access this info anyways.

My calling requires me to interact with leaders in multiple stakes, many of which are not in CDOL. So it's the old-school approach of begging Stake leaders to share contact info with me, waiting and waiting, and then hoping I get informed when callings change If I was granted directory access to the stakes my calling covers, that would be a much better solution than trying to shoehorn it into CDOL. For the OP, perhaps if SLC granted directory permissions to the CC Communication Director for the stakes they cover, that might a possible solution. I assume that even if somebody was told that this wasn't possible, it still might be doable if they had the right type of person communicate with Church HQ...

BrianEdwards wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 12:05 pm I've currently got a multi-stake calling (no CDOL access)

That surprises me. Given your calling I'd expect you to be able to get to https://cdol.churchofjesuschrist.org/. I know the are trying to put enough in LCR to not require local leaders to need CDOL but I don't think it's there yet.
Just noticed that the one calling of yours that I was looking at is historical.

BrianEdwards wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 12:05 pm but not only is there an issue with getting a calling into CDOL,

The calling is there (depending on what you mean by CDOL). In the past the CDOL database and CDOL UI were more tightly coupled. A lot of times saying it was in CDOL meant that it had been recorded, then there was the issue of visibility. Now the CDOL UI is a bit less tightly coupled to the database and doesn't show all the callings. But if you can go back and see the calling in LCR then it is definitely saved into the database. Now how people can see it I understand is still an item of interest .

BrianEdwards wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 12:05 pm My calling requires me to interact with leaders in multiple stakes,
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If I was granted directory access to the stakes my calling covers

Not sure if you're referring to a calling you were released from this summer or if you have a new one that didn't get recorded
Speaking relative to your past calling, I'm not sure if they'd give you directory access, but at least access to leadership callings that your unit supports seems like a good enhancement for those type of overlay units. That feels like good LCR feedback.

jonesrk wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 12:29 pmNot sure if you're referring to a calling you were released from this summer or if you have a new one that didn't get recorded
Speaking relative to your past calling, I'm not sure if they'd give you directory access, but at least access to leadership callings that your unit supports seems like a good enhancement for those type of overlay units. That feels like good LCR feedback.

It still hasn't been recorded by our Area Seventy. It's a Council-wide calling that didn't exist in our Council before I was called and set apart by our Area Seventy (after being released from my previous calling!). I was only sustained in our local ward, so the only way for others to find out is through word-of-mouth. I expect it wasn't straightforward to figure out how to get our calling into whatever the correct system might be, and then it probably fell off the radar. Definitely more of a niche situation than a Stake Communication Specialist, which is why I'm not surprised it's a bit more challenging to figure out.

I don't mind sharing details via a PM if you wanted a bit more info, perhaps you have some insight I could pass along.

BrianEdwards wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 12:41 pm It still hasn't been recorded by our Area Seventy. It's a Council-wide calling that didn't exist in our Council before I was called and set apart by our Area Seventy (after being released from my previous calling!). I was only sustained in our local ward, so the only way for others to find out is through word-of-mouth. I expect it wasn't straightforward to figure out how to get our calling into whatever the correct system might be, and then it probably fell off the radar. Definitely more of a niche situation than a Stake Communication Specialist, which is why I'm not surprised it's a bit more challenging to figure out.

Ah, custom positions aren't supported outside of ward/branch/stake/district so that might be why the trouble recording it. Maybe have them have the stake clerks record it in each stake. That would have the side effect of giving you the access you want to those units.

jonesrk wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 12:29 pm I know the are trying to put enough in LCR to not require local leaders to need CDOL but I don't think it's there yet.

That could be a problem. There's a bishop in my stake who has their email set to either "Leadership Only" or "Ward". I can't see it in the directory. As a STS, I'm not considered "a leader". The only way I can find his email is to go to CDOL. Yet I have a legitimate need to contact him about his ward's computer, internet, and stake conference streaming arrangements.

Likewise, I need visibility to ward TS as far as contact information.

if they want to use LCR, that's fine, but then I need access to it.

jonesrk wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 12:44 pm

BrianEdwards wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 12:41 pm It still hasn't been recorded by our Area Seventy. It's a Council-wide calling that didn't exist in our Council before I was called and set apart by our Area Seventy (after being released from my previous calling!). I was only sustained in our local ward, so the only way for others to find out is through word-of-mouth. I expect it wasn't straightforward to figure out how to get our calling into whatever the correct system might be, and then it probably fell off the radar. Definitely more of a niche situation than a Stake Communication Specialist, which is why I'm not surprised it's a bit more challenging to figure out.

Ah, custom positions aren't supported outside of ward/branch/stake/district so that might be why the trouble recording it. Maybe have them have the stake clerks record it in each stake. That would have the side effect of giving you the access you want to those units.

I'm a stake clerk dealing with something similar. A couple from our stake has been called as missionaries to support regional YSA activities, institute and the like. Ideally would have access to CDOL for outreach to bishops, stake presidencies. Regarding your idea of recording the calling in each stake. Wouldn't that first require that one unit in each stake create an out-of-unit record for that member? Or can the stake create an out-of-unit record for stake callings only?

amigodopovo wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2024 9:42 pmI'm a stake clerk dealing with something similar. A couple from our stake has been called as missionaries to support regional YSA activities, institute and the like. Ideally would have access to CDOL for outreach to bishops, stake presidencies. Regarding your idea of recording the calling in each stake. Wouldn't that first require that one unit in each stake create an out-of-unit record for that member? Or can the stake create an out-of-unit record for stake callings only?

I believe that CDOL does not really deal with out-of-unit records in the normal sense. When I had a leadership calling with CDOL access, I could use CDOL and search worldwide for leadership information. Granted, what I could see was determined based on my calling, but I could search for stake and ward leaders as needed.

The suggestion of using out-of-unit records would essentially bypass any CDOL considerations. I don't believe out-of-unit records can be created at the stake level, so one drawback of this approach is that each stake would have to determine which ward would be the owner for the out-of-unit membership record. And then anyone in that ward (or even stake) would see this random membership record and possibly be confused, since it wouldn't correspond to the typical situation where the out-of-unit member has a local calling that members are aware of. I'm not personally aware of anyone having "out-of-unit membership records" recorded in multiple stakes, it always seems like they just have their home ward record and then one out-of-unit record in a single other unit (but what do I know ). But does seem like as long as this was approved by the appropriate leaders, it would work.

I wouldn't be surprised if "Church HQ" had the ability to tag certain members with certain additional directory access permissions, without requiring the creation of out-of-unit membership records. But as mentioned, I haven't heard of any type of policy or guidelines for multi-stake callings. I'm hoping perhaps we get somebody to chime in with a personal success story...

BrianEdwards wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2024 10:16 pm I don't believe out-of-unit records can be created at the stake level,

I'm not sure about now, but in the past I think the stake could add someone who is out-of-stake to a calling without having to add them as an out-of-unit member. It may have involved using their MRN when adding the user instead of using the search.

Thanks! I see it now as possible. It's up to the stake presidency how they want to manage but glad there is a way.

[NOTE: new thread started to avoid forking this thread further ]

In the interest in keeping this discussion focused on the O.P., I started a new thread here:
Multi-stake calling and directory access
so that this conversation can remain centered on CDOL-specific items (as per the O.P).

There's a bit of movement regarding the multi-stake topic, so I'll be updating that thread likely soon (and possibly others will also contribute as appropriate).