New CDOL Missing Useful Information

I'm not sure when CDOL got a revamp. Searching for some posts, It looks like some things have been happening with it over the last several months. But it wasn't that long ago (several weeks) that I was looking at the old, familiar CDOL. Tonight I needed to go there and found it's radically different, and contains less useful information.

In particular, I was trying to figure out which mission covers a particular stake. The old CDOL had all sorts of links off of an organization, including the mission it's in. The new CDOL has very little information about an organization. I can't even find what units are in a stake. Is this lack of information intentional, or is the new CDOL a work in progress?

It's a work in progress to replace the old one.

If you click on general information it lets you select Associated Units, which shows the same list as the old CDOL did. I was looking at the mobile version so the desktop version might be laid out a bit different, but should still have the same information

I don't see anywhere on the General Information tab where it shows Associated Units. This is on the desktop.

I don't think I have any special rights (other than being an employee, if that does anything) in the new CDOL. AFAIK it is all based on positions (callings). My calling is Elders Quorum Secretary. I've reached out to the developer of the new CDOL to see what is causing the difference.

mevans wrote: Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:45 pm In particular, I was trying to figure out which mission covers a particular stake.

I am seeing what jonesrk is seeing. There is a third Associated Units tab that includes all of the child units, along with the temple and mission assignments, and other support organizations. I am also an elders quorum secretary, in addition to being the stake technology specialist (which I do not believe grants anything any longer).

I'm seeing the same thing - no related organizations. I'm also seeing far fewer stake callings. I'm sure I'm missing more than half the people. For example, I can't even see the high council.

I am a ward clerk and see the same as Mevans

russellhltn wrote: Tue Nov 15, 2022 8:59 pm I'm seeing the same thing - no related organizations. I'm also seeing far fewer stake callings. I'm sure I'm missing more than half the people. For example, I can't even see the high council.

I didn't remember the old CDOL showing high council members, but it wasn't something I was ever looking for, so maybe it was there.

FWIW, my calling is Ward Assistant Clerk -- Membership

No Associated Units here either. Stake Assistant Clerk-Finance.

Stake Exec Sec

Only see the "General Information" and "Organizations and Positions" tabs.

I can browse up the breadcrumb menu to get to the parent unit, but can't go back down again.

No associated units tab. No unit calling history anymore. No searching for all units within a geographical area if you don't know their names already.

russellhltn wrote: Tue Nov 15, 2022 8:59 pm I'm seeing the same thing - no related organizations. I'm also seeing far fewer stake callings. I'm sure I'm missing more than half the people. For example, I can't even see the high council.

You can see all the callings in LCR. The new CDOL has those same positions that show on the summary pages in the old CDOL.

caillines wrote: Tue Nov 15, 2022 11:28 pm No unit calling history anymore.

I would submit that as feedback

caillines wrote: Tue Nov 15, 2022 11:28 pm No searching for all units within a geographical area if you don't know their names already.

I know that advanced search is on their list of things to do.

Has anyone verified yet if this seems to be an issue related to calling access, or if entire units are experiencing this? I suspect it's a limitation based on callings, but there's been times in the past that nobody from a particular unit was able to do something that other units could (sometimes access being rolled out geographically, alphabetically, randomly, etc).

FYI, our Branch President has access to the "Associated Units" tab, and that's available for any unit he searches for throughout the world. Haven't checked with any other local leaders yet.

jonesrk wrote: Wed Nov 16, 2022 8:53 am You can see all the callings in LCR. The new CDOL has those same positions that show on the summary pages in the old CDOL.

If one has access to LCR. In my case, I don't.

caillines wrote: Tue Nov 15, 2022 11:28 pm No unit calling history anymore.

I see history for my stake, just as before.

lajackson wrote: Wed Nov 16, 2022 11:57 am I see history for my stake, just as before.

Where do you see it? I see history for individual leaders when I click on a leader name but I don't see a history for positions in the stake (at least not that I've found).

Interestingly the individual history now shows position in units I'm no longer part of including my ward clerk position back in Utah. That did not show up in the old CDOL.

eblood66 wrote: Wed Nov 16, 2022 12:54 pm

lajackson wrote: Wed Nov 16, 2022 11:57 am I see history for my stake, just as before.

Where do you see it? I see history for individual leaders when I click on a leader name but I don't see a history for positions in the stake (at least not that I've found).

Interestingly the individual history now shows position in units I'm no longer part of including my ward clerk position back in Utah. That did not show up in the old CDOL.

Oops. I should not have said "just as before." I am seeing what you are seeing. I am also seeing leader history for anyone, in or out of my stake. But no, I am not seeing a list of all the prior bishops or stake presidents in a unit (or other positions) that I saw in the last version of CDOL.

Associated Units is showing up for me today, so I wonder if they are loading in bits in chunks.

Still no unit level history, but I can now see leader level history to a higher level than previously.
Previously leader history was only callings within my stake, now it's callings across all stakes.

caillines wrote: Wed Nov 16, 2022 6:38 pm Associated Units is showing up for me today, so I wonder if they are loading in bits in chunks.

The data is all there just controlled by rights based on position type. I think they've been adding rights to some position types as needed

caillines wrote: Wed Nov 16, 2022 6:38 pm Associated Units is showing up for me today, so I wonder if they are loading in bits in chunks.

Yep, it's showing for me now too.

I see the Associated Units information now, too.

It's not appearing for me. Which means I can't look up our assigned FM office.

I see some data for my unit previously found in CDOL now is available in LCR > Other > Unit Information:
If the users who can see both screens are the same, it would be nice if the UI/UX and data values available between CDOL and LCR Unit Information were more closely aligned.

Data points which have changed or I can no longer see for my unit:

• Primary Currency
• Property Number
  • I see a label/header in LCR, but no value. I can see the value in CDOL.
• Type
  • Ward may be redundant in the new UI/UX
• Meeting Times/Start Times
  • CDOL and LCR use different labels/headers for the same values.
• Office Phone
  • Seen in LCR, but not sure where populated. I assume this is different than Meetinghouse Phone?
• Historical Information
  • I can see assignments in LCR, but no events/notes. (e.g. Create, Transfer, Name, Realign, Divide)

I see some Associated Orgs in LCR, but not FM.

greenwoodkl wrote: Sun Nov 27, 2022 2:39 pm Data points which have changed or I can no longer see for my unit:

• Primary Currency
• Property Number
  • I see a label/header in LCR, but no value. I can see the value in CDOL.
• Type
  • Ward may be redundant in the new UI/UX
• Meeting Times/Start Times
  • CDOL and LCR use different labels/headers for the same values.
• Office Phone
  • Seen in LCR, but not sure where populated. I assume this is different than Meetinghouse Phone?
• Historical Information
  • I can see assignments in LCR, but no events/notes. (e.g. Create, Transfer, Name, Realign, Divide)

I can see the property numbers.
I can see SOME phone numbers (for example temples).
I can see FM under "Receives FM Support from".
Apart from that, I am missing the same things as you.

caillines wrote: Sun Nov 27, 2022 8:56 pm

greenwoodkl wrote: Sun Nov 27, 2022 2:39 pm Data points which have changed or I can no longer see for my unit:

• Primary Currency
• Property Number
  • I see a label/header in LCR, but no value. I can see the value in CDOL.
• Type
  • Ward may be redundant in the new UI/UX
• Meeting Times/Start Times
  • CDOL and LCR use different labels/headers for the same values.
• Office Phone
  • Seen in LCR, but not sure where populated. I assume this is different than Meetinghouse Phone?
• Historical Information
  • I can see assignments in LCR, but no events/notes. (e.g. Create, Transfer, Name, Realign, Divide)

I can see the property numbers.
I can see SOME phone numbers (for example temples).
I can see FM under "Receives FM Support from".
Apart from that, I am missing the same things as you.

I see property numbers in CDOL, but only a label for my ward in LCR.
I see FM in CDOL at the Stake level, but not under my ward's Associated Orgs in LCR.
Might only be a Utah problem , but in my ward's Associated Orgs in LCR I see my stake's two secondary DI Thrift Stores, but not the primary DI Thrift Store.
In CDOL, my ward only shows Parent under Associated Units.

Interesting blend bouncing between CDOL and LCR.

Two weeks ago I was pleased to see member photos when an individual was selected in CDOL but now I don't. I thought that was a great addition.

greenwoodkl wrote: Sun Nov 27, 2022 9:05 pm I see property numbers in CDOL, but only a label for my ward in LCR.
I see FM in CDOL at the Stake level, but not under my ward's Associated Orgs in LCR.
Might only be a Utah problem , but in my ward's Associated Orgs in LCR I see my stake's two secondary DI Thrift Stores, but not the primary DI Thrift Store.
In CDOL, my ward only shows Parent under Associated Units.

Ok, yep that matches me. Except for the DI stuff which we don't have in Australia.

Interesting blend bouncing between CDOL and LCR.

Yep.