Temple Ordinance Worker callings not in LCR or reports

Those in my ward who have been set apart at the Timpanogos Temple as ordinance workers do not show up as having that calling in LCR. I would expect them to show up in Out of Unit callings, but they don't. However, if I look at their callings in the Member Tools App on my phone, their calling as a Temple Ordinance Worker is listed there. Why does it show up in Member Tools but it does not show up in LCR? And why doesn't it show up on the report of Members With Callings?

That's interesting, I hadn't realized Member Tools would show the calling, my understanding was that this info simply wasn't available to local leaders. My suspicion (based on exactly 0% knowledge of anything) is that it's more likely Member Tools isn't functioning as desired (by showing the calling), as opposed to LCR not working as desired (by not showing the calling). But I'd love for LCR to also show it!

Perhaps others here on the Forum have more info about what the expected behavior should be.

BrianEdwards wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 12:09 pm Perhaps others here on the Forum have more info about what the expected behavior should be.

My guess would be that someone locally has entered them as custom callings so that Member Tools will provide that information in the stake.

The bishop and stake president know who serves in the temple, or at least they can find it online. Otherwise, access to that information is quite restricted. And it does not show up in LCR. The information is contained in a different system.

lajackson wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 7:42 pm

BrianEdwards wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 12:09 pm Perhaps others here on the Forum have more info about what the expected behavior should be.

My guess would be that someone locally has entered them as custom callings so that Member Tools will provide that information in the stake.

The bishop and stake president know who serves in the temple, or at least they can find it online. Otherwise, access to that information is quite restricted. And if does not show up in LCR. The information is contained in a different system.

The temple is entering temple workers callings and they are supposed to show in member tools for leaders and clerks. They do not currently show in LCR but suspect that is on the list of projects.

garystroble wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 8:48 pm The temple is entering temple workers callings and they are supposed to show in member tools for leaders and clerks. They do not currently show in LCR but suspect that is on the list of projects.

TIS is still relatively new. I am not enough of a leader or clerk to see the names in Member Tools, but it makes sense that they would be there.

And it would not surprise me to see the system interface with LCR at some point. It is a connected world.

lajackson wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 10:51 pm

garystroble wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 8:48 pm The temple is entering temple workers callings and they are supposed to show in member tools for leaders and clerks. They do not currently show in LCR but suspect that is on the list of projects.

TIS is still relatively new. I am not enough of a leader or clerk to see the names in Member Tools, but it makes sense that they would be there.

And it would not surprise me to see the system interface with LCR at some point. It is a connected world.

I add that they currently show for leaders and clerks only on a member's information in member tools. There is no list of temple workers in the ward; stake not sure.

garystroble wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 10:56 pm I add that they currently show for leaders and clerks only on a member's information in member tools. There is no list of temple workers in the ward; stake not sure.

I see it there now as a calling under individual names, and I can see it for temple workers in other wards, as well. I wonder if that is new.

As the EQ secretary I am not really surprised to see the ones in my ward. But I wonder if the real reason I am able to see those in other wards is because I am one?

lajackson wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 11:10 pm

garystroble wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 10:56 pm I add that they currently show for leaders and clerks only on a member's information in member tools. There is no list of temple workers in the ward; stake not sure.

I see it there now as a calling under individual names, and I can see it for temple workers in other wards, as well. I wonder if that is new.

As the EQ secretary I am not really surprised to see the ones in my ward. But I wonder if the real reason I am able to see those in other wards is because I am one?

Hmmm, interesting, maybe to help with carpooling if your temple is a distance away?

dcurtis wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 7:16 am Why does it show up in Member Tools but it does not show up in LCR?

Different programs get updates at different times. There's a pretty small team doing the work. I imagine that LCR will get updated with this feature when it's turn for some developer love comes up.

garystroble wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 11:21 pm Hmmm, interesting, maybe to help with carpooling if your temple is a distance away?

I think it is more for the information of the leaders. Those who serve in a temple have access through that system to help them coordinate with others who are working on the same shift(s). I am new to TIS, but it is my understanding that it has been tested by a number of temples and is just now being rolled out to all of the temples.

garystroble wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 10:56 pm I add that they currently show for leaders and clerks only on a member's information in member tools.

I don't think visibility of the temple ordinance worker calling in Member Tools is limited to leaders and clerks. I'm currently a "lowly" Sunday School teacher (and not currently a temple ordinance worker). When I go to the profile page in Member Tools for a member in my ward who's an ordinance worker, I see that calling listed under their name, like any other calling. I also see it when I go to their profile at Directory.ChurchofJesusChrist.org.

sbradshaw wrote: Wed Aug 03, 2022 2:47 pm

garystroble wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 10:56 pm I add that they currently show for leaders and clerks only on a member's information in member tools.

I don't think visibility of the temple ordinance worker calling in Member Tools is limited to leaders and clerks. I'm currently a "lowly" Sunday School teacher (and not currently a temple ordinance worker) – when I go to the profile page for a member in my ward who's an ordinance worker, I see that calling listed under their name, like any other calling. I also see it when I go to their profile at Directory.ChurchofJesusChrist.org.

Guess the temple callings are not as confidential as some of us surmised.

But does the listing of a temple ordinance worker give them access to the portal? Wouldn't it have to be a standard and not a custom calling? Also, I'm wondering if temple recorders are entering this info into some other system. Nobody in my stake is showing up as a temple worker nor have I (a stake clerk) been asked to enter them in those callings.

rjamesh77 wrote: Wed Feb 01, 2023 2:10 pm I'm wondering if temple recorders are entering this info into some other system.

A member of the temple presidency entered my calling into the Temple Information System the day I was set apart. I had access to TIS almost immediately. I do not know how the flow goes from there, but within a few days my calling was showing in Member Tools and at LCR. (Edit: Oops. The calling has not made it to LCR. See the next post by jonesrk.)

TIS seems to be similar to LCR, in that you have access to certain parts of TIS based on your specific temple calling. For example, shift coordinators are able to access things that I cannot. The temple recorder (and I assume the presidency) can access even more information.

As lajackson said, they enter it in TIS, then TIS pushes that info to CDOL as positions within the temple. Member Tools is getting their calling data from our newer system that has ways to indicate which position types outside the Stake/District/Ward/Branch setting to include in the calling list, so that is why they show up there. LCR is still using CDOL to get their calling data and so I don't think they show those temple callings (lajackson it sounds like you can see yours in LCR. I haven't been able to find them there. I'm willing to learn so please let me know where to look).

jonesrk wrote: Thu Feb 02, 2023 10:01 am Member Tools is getting their calling data from our newer system that has ways to indicate which position types outside the Stake/District/Ward/Branch setting to include in the calling list, so that is why they show up there.

I did not check before I made my post and thus misspoke. I have edited the post. I do not see temple callings in LCR for myself or others in our stake who I know are serving. Sorry, nothing to see here. . . .

You did answer my next question. I was wondering how the callings got into Member Tools if not from LCR.