Smart TV without the apps/advertising?

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#1
Curious if anyone knows of a TV that is smart in that it has airplay and chrome cast, but doesn’t have all the Netflix/etc and associated advertising.

Love the functionality of being able to stream to a TV but hate turning it on and have some rated R movie being advertised before getting a gospel message going. I know that is how TVs subsidize their cost, so if we need to pay a bit more for no ads I think we’d be up for it.
Aaron Barker
Front-end Development Lead for LDS.org (content portions, not apps) and Ward Executive Secretary.
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#2
I haven't tried any out myself on my TV but if you get an Android TV I think you should be able to install an alternative launcher to avoid ads. At least that might be one alternative to look into.
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#3
If you have Android TV os you can set a restricted profile and put apps that you only want to see. https://support.google.com/androidtv/an ... 3330?hl=en . Some tvs will have built in Android TV or use a Mii box or Nvidia shield with any TV.
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#4
As attractive as an all-in-one package is, I'm not sure as it's the best idea. I don't think Smart TVs are supported as well from the standpoint of security updates and length of support. Also, it seems the streaming technology gets outdated faster than the TV itself. That means you're either going to have to toss a perfectly good TV or use an external device anyway.

Besides, the lack of advertising could disappear in an update.
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#5
I just ordered a Samsung pro tvs. The ones for customizable for business use. I think this may be a viable solution. Looking to try and have the start splash screen be the instructions or something two. Will report back how it worked.
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#6
Love this idea - did anything ever come of it?
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#7
We recently received a number of large 65" TV's for our chapels and the Samsung TV's are excellent as they have Airplay and Wireless Display connectivity for Windows laptops natively built in. However, there is significant work involved in setting up a PIN and locking all the pre-installed apps and removing others, including a "free samsung internet TV app" that requires removing all the channels.

Once this is done one cannot access the apps, but initiate an Airplay or wireless mirroring even without the remote. It's pretty slick.
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#8

Samsung 65-inch Smart TV

pwilson wrote: Thu May 26, 2022 4:29 pm We recently received a number of large 65" TV's for our chapels and the Samsung TV's are excellent as they have Airplay and Wireless Display connectivity for Windows laptops natively built in. However, there is significant work involved in setting up a PIN and locking all the pre-installed apps and removing others, including a "free samsung internet TV app" that requires removing all the channels.

Once this is done one cannot access the apps, but initiate an Airplay or wireless mirroring even without the remote. It's pretty slick.
One of these Samsung 65-inch Smart TVs magically appeared in our meetinghouse library this week. It is really quite powerful. While I waited for the STS to add it to the Liahona NoSplash policy list, I connected it via Ethernet cable to the network to get past the setup pages. I was amazed to find a complete channel guide with apparently free content available. I don't know if I am willing to manually remove all those channels from the guide -- it's a lot of work. I was hoping to see BYU-TV in the channel guide...

I set the built-in web browser's home page to the church home page, but I don't know if that is permanently stored somewhere or not. The browser is extremely tedious to use with the Samsung remote control, and a mouse is not supported. Darn.

I was able to cast Chrome tabs from other devices to the TV. I was also able to connect to the TV as a wireless display device from Windows using the Windows + P key combo (and the system tray).

I hope our Gospel Doctrine teacher will use this new TV, rather than the projector she has been using, which is tedious to set up and has audio limitations.
Dana Repouille, Plattsmouth, Nebraska
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#9
I've been less than pleased with the "onboarding support" provided when receiving these new Samsung TV's (our Stake likewise has recently been having the TV's installed in all our buildings). We essentially needed to bang the drums to get any kind of coordinated response that offloaded all these questions/concerns from each individual building rep (or STS or Bishop). Besides the cords that drape from the TV's to the nearest outlet (we had to spend weeks trying to get confirmation the FM Group would install outlets directly behind the TV's "if we submitted an FIR request"), there's also the default channel that appears when turning on the TV. Usually it's the Tennis Network or something, but recently it was an episode of Baywatch (no, I'm not kidding). And then also the question about whether members should be able to come and turn on the TV anytime they want and just watch random free TV channels at church.

It would be great if the default (and only) channel were BYU-TV, for GenConf and other broadcasts and such. I know that's not possible, just sayin'. But if anyone can share a reference doc explaining the process for removing (or just removing access to) the Apps, I think it would be very helpful. Ideally the FM Group would take care of this as part of the install process. Or at least provide reference material to the local Building Rep / STS so they could do it. But if each individual unit has to figure this out themselves, a reference doc from the Forum is a great starting point.
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#10

Re: Samsung 65-inch Smart TV

drepouille wrote: Mon Apr 24, 2023 6:10 am While I waited for the STS to add it to the Liahona NoSplash policy list, I connected it via Ethernet cable to the network to get past the setup pages.
Hi Dana, can you please explain or point me to how to add the new TV to the Liahona NoSplash policy list? Is this the same as adding it to the Lehi network, or different? Thanks!
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#11
Hi Dana, can you please explain or point me to how to add the new TV to the Liahona NoSplash policy list?
You can reference this link on the Tech Wiki:
Registering Non Mobile Wireless Devices
I can't remember the exact steps I used with our Smart TV at church, but I was able to get the MAC address from one of the system menu selections on the TV.
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#12
A couple of things to consider: Wired is more reliable than wireless. There's no need to set up NoSplash if the TV is wired.

If the TV is permanently mounted, I'd strongly consider talking to FM to have it wired.
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#13
Use a TV adblocker, a network adblocker like Pi-hole, an external media box or streaming device like Apple TV 4K, Nvidia Shield, Roku, or a Fire Stick to prevent commercials on your smart TV. If at all possible, you should also refrain from using the internet. And last, some TVs let you turn off commercials.
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jonathankennedy wrote: Mon May 29, 2023 11:16 pm Use a TV adblocker, a network adblocker like Pi-hole, an external media box or streaming device like Apple TV 4K, Nvidia Shield, Roku, or a Fire Stick to prevent commercials on your smart TV. If at all possible, you should also refrain from using the internet. And last, some TVs let you turn off commercials.
At that point, is it even a smart TV, or just a monitor? :)
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Since I have spent the last 30-ish years in technology, the latter half as the director, for a smaller rural school district, I fear this message may get a bit too, umm, Nerdy? For that, I apologize up front.
While this post directly relates to the new Samsung 65" Smart TVs, I believe the basic concepts provided may be useful with other TVs without becoming a control-freak.

My solution: Convert "Smart Tvs" to Dumb Tvs used simply to display content which tends to follow the "Keep It Simple" philosophy.

@BrianEdwards --- I have given a lot of thought about the things you said and agree that having some R rated movie promo begin to play or one of the less than desirable channels auto playing in the background is not something we want in church. Or, having members watching/streaming shows they ought to be watching at home.

Since the smart tvs were installed in the relief society rooms in our stake, I have spent several days sitting in front of one of them (I'm retired now) searching for an answer that effectively and consistently blocks all that junk, good or not. Yet allows teachers the ability to present the content they want to use in class from the device/s they have and know how to use. However, since it seems Samsung knows best what we want and need, after agreeing to the Terms & Policies, all kinds of stuff downloads and installs, with the ability to download even more. Giving rise to tempting people to go to the meeting house to watch netflix, hulu, disney+, et al.

What I discovered was trying to manage all that stuff is like trying to hold 50 corks underwater all at the same time.

So, after many hours and tv resets, it seems the only way to prevent samsung from helping us is to never allow the tv itself to have access to the internet from the very start. Then when someone clicks Setup, it fails to reach their servers. (I REALLY do wish there was a way to get rid of the green banner with the setup button but my skill-set in hacking OS code just isn't there.)

In any case, for now anyway, I'm installing a cheap wifi router on the back of the tv (with really sticky velcro) to create a private network and uplinking the WAN port to Liahona network, wired. Then configure Parental Controls (I'm using a LInkSys E5350 although ASUS · NETGEAR · TP-Link · Google · eero · ARRIS · Motorola may well do the same thing. Your mileage may vary depending on your choice) to always block internet traffic from that tv's mac address. This isolates the tv from the internet but still allows user's Casting/Mirroring devices to reach the tv (has to be on the same network to work) AND still reach the internet through the church's firewall/filter.

Pushing pause here for a moment...
Two things make this method desirable for us, first it isolates the tv from the internet. WHY does the tv even need it? Second, I have had so many complaints from members not being able to connect (display the Splash page actually) using their mobile devices to Liahona wifi, phones mostly. Using this private wifi eliminates that issue without compromising the church network.

On the tv, it is connected wirelessly to the private wifi obtaining its IP/DNS/Gateway addresses from it. Users are instructed to connect to the same wifi also obtaining the needed addresses AND putting both the tv and their device on the same network. Crucial for casting to work. "What about cheaters, you might ask." While It is true the tv could be rewired and allowed internet access by someone with enough tech savvy. Most will not bother. Even if they do, just Reset and reconfig the tv. And, if someone should try to connect the tv to the Liahona wireless, they have no way to click through and accept the terms on the splash so, no internet.

This private network business is only intended to be a short term work-around. I am hoping the network engineers will add another Group Policy in CNM to the current list in the building firewall which currently has, IoT and No Splash, It's a feature request that will always block internet access to specific devices, i.e. "Smart" Tvs so we don't have to build a private network to do the work. When that happens, the private network and wifi router goes away. You may wish to let them know you would also like the ability to block certain devices...hint hint.

And finally, since we all know in the church that if you want something done, involve the Relief Society....which I did. The Stake RS Pres. scheduled an initial 1hour training session in each building for leaders and teachers who would use the tv. There will be follow up sessions and some one-to -one sessions to be sure. For some, trying to take all the things even a "Dumb Tv" can do is like sipping from the fire hose.

If you have questions or wonder why this or that, I would be happy to address them here in the forum or privately: schestev795@gmail.com
Thanks for listening.
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#16
It's my understanding that without the splash screen, the TV can still communicate with the local network. What is disabled is access to the internet (likely by blocking access to the DNS). However, I have not tested this myself.

However, splash screen is disabled for all wired connections, which is too bad since wired is much more reliable.
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#17
I saw a solution in another stake which I thought was total genius. Setup the TV domain server to look to a non existent domain. Just put a 0 in one of the domain IP values.

When setting up the TV on the network, let it do all of its auto IP connection, do the nosplash etc. Once the TV is setup and working, just go in and MANUALLY adjust the domain server to point to nowhere. This means the TV cannot lookup any IP. This allows full streaming features from phones and tablets via local network, but blocks the local ads, searches, and random users watching via the "Smart TV".
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#18
kent.smith wrote: Mon Nov 13, 2023 2:50 pm I saw a solution in another stake which I thought was total genius. Setup the TV domain server to look to a non existent domain. Just put a 0 in one of the domain IP values.

When setting up the TV on the network, let it do all of its auto IP connection, do the nosplash etc. Once the TV is setup and working, just go in and MANUALLY adjust the domain server to point to nowhere. This means the TV cannot lookup any IP. This allows full streaming features from phones and tablets via local network, but blocks the local ads, searches, and random users watching via the "Smart TV".
Does apps still function after this? Our stake use Youtube for Church-Related Lessons and they'll manually input it to the TV. Especially if the members using the TV forgot to bring their Devices.
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edcyreysase wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 7:27 pm Does apps still function after this? Our stake use Youtube for Church-Related Lessons and they'll manually input it to the TV. Especially if the members using the TV forgot to bring their Devices.
Only if the app has the IP for YouTube hardcoded. It's not going to be able to go the server by name if DNS has been effectively disabled.
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kent.smith wrote: Mon Nov 13, 2023 2:50 pm When setting up the TV on the network, let it do all of its auto IP connection, do the nosplash etc. Once the TV is setup and working, just go in and MANUALLY adjust the domain server to point to nowhere. This means the TV cannot lookup any IP. This allows full streaming features from phones and tablets via local network, but blocks the local ads, searches, and random users watching via the "Smart TV".
I assume you mean set the DNS is something invalid. I'm pretty sure you get the same effect by removing the TV from NoSplash.

The TV in my ward is a Samsung. Without NoSplash, you can still use Windows screen mirroring.
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barkeraj wrote: Sun Nov 07, 2021 12:01 pm Curious if anyone knows of a TV that is smart in that it has airplay and chrome cast, but doesn’t have all the Netflix/etc and associated advertising.

Love the functionality of being able to stream to a TV but hate turning it on and have some rated R movie being advertised before getting a gospel message going. I know that is how TVs subsidize their cost, so if we need to pay a bit more for no ads I think we’d be up for it.

While I am unable to reccomend a TV which has those features,

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#22
schestev wrote: Wed Jun 14, 2023 1:06 pm My solution: Convert "Smart Tvs" to Dumb Tvs used simply to display content which tends to follow the "Keep It Simple" philosophy.
Sensible approach, especially given recent trends in IoT security:

https://krebsonsecurity.com/2026/01/the ... l-network/
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#23
Tried using cleanyourtv on some Google TV's in the meetinghouse. It works flawlessly.
Sure it is not permanent, but it got rid of advertising and telemetry. Can still use apps (Youtube) and can still do Wireless Casting (Miracast, Chromecast and Airplay)

Anyone can look it up. I prefer their Github Repo and doing it by hand.
They also have a pre-made prompt to run on Claude Code or Antigravity CLI to make it easy.