Class And Quorum Attendance

I see a new item on the Reports menu of LCR: Class And Quorum Attendance.

Are we now supposed to track attendance by name, rather than by number?
I wonder how we are supposed to count those who spend the entire second hour in the foyer or hallway? And online?

I suspect there will be some guidance to be released soon.

This could get interesting. While we have in-person sacrament meeting (that is webcast) we have completely virtual Sunday School/EQ/RS meetings. I think it's because our meeting rooms are too small for social distancing and there's another wards in our building.

drepouille wrote:I wonder how we are supposed to count those who spend the entire second hour in the foyer or hallway? And online?

If you have a Foyer Class or a Hallway Class, I would count them. I would also count those who participate in an online class such as elders quorum.

I once announced to a crowded foyer during Sunday School that the Foyer Class would begin in three minutes. The foyer was empty two minutes later. (And no, very few went to class.)

What would be really cool would be if quorum and class secretaries could record attendance weekly and then have that data automatically flow through to the quarterly report.

scgallafent wrote:What would be really cool would be if quorum and class secretaries could record attendance weekly and then have that data automatically flow through to the quarterly report.

That would be lovely. However, in my experience, most secretaries can't (or refuse to) login to LCR. They would probably prefer to mark attendance using the Member Tools app.

Being able to do that from Member Tools would be another really cool feature.

I recorded some attendance information today, but the names print a week off from the dates they are actually recorded. I suppose this would be a Beta-7 feature. [smile]

Well I am glad that as of today, I have nothing to do with quarterly reports. Hooray!

scgallafent wrote:Being able to do that from Member Tools would be another really cool feature.

The latest Beta version of iOS Member Tools has this option. And it works!

As an elders quorum secretary, I see a roll for all of the elders quorum members when I go to Leader and Clerk Resources > Reports > Class and Quorum Attendance. However, it's not clear to me how I should use it exactly. In particular, there's a column for each Sunday – should I be recording "second-hour" attendance of the elders in my quorum each Sunday, or only on weeks where an elders quorum meeting is held? If a member of the Sunday School presidency records attendance on weeks with Sunday School, will those checkmarks appear on the roll I see?

You (the elders quorum secretary) should be recording attendance for the elders quorum. You will be able to see attendance recorded by the Sunday School presidency. If they aren't recording it, you can record it, but I would personally expect that to be their responsibility.

Biggles wrote:

scgallafent wrote:Being able to do that from Member Tools would be another really cool feature.

The latest Beta version of iOS Member Tools has this option. And it works!

Also on beta for Android (4.3.0)

This will be good. Hopefully it provides access to the deacons quorum presidency to take role in their quorum. We're trying to get the youth presidencies to do the attendance rather than adults.

UPDATE: In looking at the access table tool in LCR, it does not look like class advisers or specialists have access to this. It seems like this tool's access does not go far enough to eliminate paper rolls.

scgallafent wrote:You (the elders quorum secretary) should be recording attendance for the elders quorum. You will be able to see attendance recorded by the Sunday School presidency.

So it is a shared resource. I wondered, because our bishopric asked the quorum and RS to have their own meetings this past 5th Sunday. I was going to record the information on the 24th (when we did not meet), but found the 31st was available.

lajackson wrote:I recorded some attendance information today, but the names print a week off from the dates they are actually recorded. I suppose this would be a Beta-7 feature. [smile]

When this happened, I sent Feedback to the Global Services Department. Today I received a delightful email.

For help with attendance reports, please contact the Global Services Departmemt for help with this issue. The phone numbers for the GSD can be found at . . .

and they provided the Help Center link with the appropriate phone numbers.

For the record, I do not plan to call the GSD just because the GSD told me I should call the GSD.

Gotta love technology.

lajackson wrote:For the record, I do not plan to call the GSD just because the GSD told me I should call the GSD.

Sometimes, the best way to deal with bad advice is to follow it. <grin>

The announcement letter stated

A new feature has been added to Member Tools and Leader and Clerk Resources (LCR) that allows organization and quorum presidencies and secretaries to record Sunday class and quorum attendance by name.

I (as Bishopric Counselor) have access. My son (as Priests Quorum Secretary) does not, in either IOs Member Tools or from the website.

Is this a known issue, or is there something specific we need to do? (For Member Tools. we tried completely deleting the app and reinstalling with no luck)

Thanks for any help.

I reported earlier in this thread that the feature was available in the iOS beta version. I now find that this feature has gone missing!

If I remember correctly, youth class secretaries only have access to this capability in Member Tools.

Has anyone figured out how to have the youth quorum secretaries be able to enter their quroum attendance? Even the adult advisors and specialists don't seem to have access to class and quorum attendance. Having the bishopric need to enter the attendance seems a little narrow.

jpier1 wrote:Has anyone figured out how to have the youth quorum secretaries be able to enter their quroum attendance? Even the adult advisors and specialists don't seem to have access to class and quorum attendance. Having the bishopric need to enter the attendance seems a little narrow.

I had the issue that I needed to log out of the app and back into the mobile app to see the menu option on android. It seems who has access to the feature is different on the app vs LCR too. Does anything know if there's a definitive list of access for the mobile apps? I'm kind of stuck telling people to do it and hoping they actually have access (e.g. teachers in a Sunday school class?).

Unfortunately, it seems like radio silence is the operating word. It would indeed be good to know if things are still in-progress regarding access, or if (for whatever the reasons may be) we won't end up having class/quorum secretaries able to enter attendance. I haven't seen anything posted anywhere regarding YM/YW class access, although plenty of people have asked the question, and I expect we may not get any official word.

BrianEdwards wrote:Unfortunately, it seems like radio silence is the operating word. It would indeed be good to know if things are still in-progress regarding access, or if (for whatever the reasons may be) we won't end up having class/quorum secretaries able to enter attendance. I haven't seen anything posted anywhere regarding YM/YW class access, although plenty of people have asked the question, and I expect we may not get any official word.

It seems like in the past there were release notes. It feels like that things are now rolled out in an ongoing basis -- if there is a grouping of updates being released together it's not obvious. Features appear and there may or may not be communication about it and those doing the communicating are doing so at a high level. Plus, many times the features are released geographically. I'm sure it's a complicated juggle to keep it all straight on the dev team side.

The instructions for using this feature in LCR and in member tools came out Feb 10th in the official communications library. I used this feature on the 21st and it worked. Then it will not open anymore on either the ward computer or my computer. It is also not available on the tools app yet even with the instructions saying that it is. I think they released to soon and it all locked up on them last week.

It’s working for me now, on my iPad and computer.

chuckamorrow wrote:The instructions for using this feature in LCR and in member tools came out Feb 10th in the official communications library. I used this feature on the 21st and it worked. Then it will not open anymore on either the ward computer or my computer. It is also not available on the tools app yet even with the instructions saying that it is. I think they released to soon and it all locked up on them last week.

It's working for me (ward clerk) on PC and android.

It would be nice to be able to filter and show attending/not attending, perhaps by month.

davepet wrote:It would be nice to be able to filter and show attending/not attending, perhaps by month.

Submit that as a suggestion using the feedback link at the bottom of that LCR page.

The announcement indicated that organization and quorum presidencies and secretaries would be able to have this as part of Tools. None of our young women class presidencies or aaronic priesthood presidencies or secretaries have this option. When will our youth leaders have this capability?

When will our youth leaders have this capability?

As this is a user forum, nobody here is likely to know anything about whether this is "by design" (i.e. the communication was incorrect but the implementation is as intended), or "an omission" (the communication was correct but the implementation is wrong). Although I do think all of us, like you, wish it was implemented the way the communication says...

You can try the Feedback mechanism, but absent that, we're all in the same boat, and it seems like the adult leaders of the youth need to enter the info.

bkn2 wrote:The announcement indicated that organization and quorum presidencies and secretaries would be able to have this as part of Tools. None of our young women class presidencies or aaronic priesthood presidencies or secretaries have this option. When will our youth leaders have this capability?

The difficulty, or confusion, is the definition of organization. I also suspect that for the Aaronic Priesthood the reference was to the Presidency of the Aaronic Priesthood. I get this when I go to Leader and Clerk Resources and look to see what is listed under Organizations. What I see there is what I suspect is what was meant by organizations and quorums for the business rules as it applies to attendance report access. Therefore for the Young Women organization the business rules could mean the YW presidency and the YW classes are sub-organizations. For the Aaronic Priesthood Quorums the business rules could mean the Presidency of the Aaronic Priesthood, which is the bishopric. The three Aaronic Priesthood Quorums are under the Presidency of the Aaronic Priesthood. This is just my thought on why the youth do not have access.

jdlessley wrote:Therefore for the Young Women organization the business rules could mean the YW presidency and the YW classes are sub-organizations. For the Aaronic Priesthood Quorums the business rules could mean the Presidency of the Aaronic Priesthood, which is the bishopric. The three Aaronic Priesthood Quorums are under the Presidency of the Aaronic Priesthood. This is just my thought on why the youth do not have access.

Interesting thought. I'm wondering if privacy laws might play a role as well. Looking at the handbook, the class presidents don't seem to be charged with responsibilities for individuals. Responsibilities for individuals seems to be the key to granting adults "leadership access" to information.

While I don't think roll-taking is that "private", it would require that the person marking the rolls have the ability to see all the members, including the ones that had been marked "leadership only". Thus, they'd need some kind of leadership access to do their job.

The adult leaders are part of the ward council which does have responsibilities for individual so they are considered "leaders".

That's my speculative 2¢.

bkn2 wrote:The announcement indicated that organization and quorum presidencies and secretaries would be able to have this as part of Tools. None of our young women class presidencies or aaronic priesthood presidencies or secretaries have this option. When will our youth leaders have this capability?

In the app, you can click help and then 'contact us' to provide feedback. I've done so as the current approach is problematic as you have indicated.

russellhltn wrote:

jdlessley wrote:Therefore for the Young Women organization the business rules could mean the YW presidency and the YW classes are sub-organizations. For the Aaronic Priesthood Quorums the business rules could mean the Presidency of the Aaronic Priesthood, which is the bishopric. The three Aaronic Priesthood Quorums are under the Presidency of the Aaronic Priesthood. This is just my thought on why the youth do not have access.

Interesting thought. I'm wondering if privacy laws might play a role as well. Looking at the handbook, the class presidents don't seem to be charged with responsibilities for individuals. Responsibilities for individuals seems to be the key to granting adults "leadership access" to information.

While I don't think roll-taking is that "private", it would require that the person marking the rolls have the ability to see all the members, including the ones that had been marked "leadership only". Thus, they'd need some kind of leadership access to do their job.

There's no reason they can't program it so that the youth only see their class/quorum and the list of names with dates to check. We already provide this information to them on paper rolls, so I'm not sure how doing so electronically would be problematic. I know my wife as RS secretary only sees the RS and not the youth and EQ when looking at attendance.

chriswoodut wrote:There's no reason they can't program it so that the youth only see their class/quorum and the list of names with dates to check. We already provide this information to them on paper rolls, so I'm not sure how doing so electronically would be problematic.

It depends on how privacy laws are written. I think most were focused on electronic sharing, so it may not cover paper. I do know enough that in the business world, paper does play by different rules than computer systems.

russellhltn wrote:

chriswoodut wrote:There's no reason they can't program it so that the youth only see their class/quorum and the list of names with dates to check. We already provide this information to them on paper rolls, so I'm not sure how doing so electronically would be problematic.

It depends on how privacy laws are written. I think most were focused on electronic sharing, so it may not cover paper. I do know enough that in the business world, paper does play by different rules than computer systems.

But that's just supposition, it could be a lot of things we don't know.

chriswoodut wrote:But that's just supposition, it could be a lot of things we don't know.

True. It would certainly be nice to get clear instructions of what we can expect going forward.

My ward starting using this feature about a month ago. When they record attendance for a Sunday for any of the quorums/classes, the attendance moves to a different Sunday and is no longer correct. The organizations have corrected this multiple times and the attendance keeps moving to different Sundays. I am not sure if it takes until the next Sunday for it to move or happens sooner than that. Is anyone else experiencing the same issue? I want to submit a bug about this, but am not sure the best way to go about that. If anyone knows the best way to report this, if they could please let me know.

Primary is the problem we have with the new attendance tools. All of our primary classes take place over individual zoom calls. But our teachers do not have the ability to take attendance. I’m trying to think through the reasons why the people who know the information would not have the ability to enter the information. I suppose one reason is that primary teachers are not set apart to a specific class, but it wouldn’t be too hard for the developers to allow the primary presidency to assign teachers to a specific class and then only allow them to do attendance for that class.

LavaPhoenix wrote:My ward starting using this feature about a month ago. When they record attendance for a Sunday for any of the quorums/classes, the attendance moves to a different Sunday and is no longer correct. The organizations have corrected this multiple times and the attendance keeps moving to different Sundays. I am not sure if it takes until the next Sunday for it to move or happens sooner than that. Is anyone else experiencing the same issue? I want to submit a bug about this, but am not sure the best way to go about that. If anyone knows the best way to report this, if they could please let me know.

Are they logging in to record attendance on the same Sunday as the week they're recording attendance for, or are they logging in at a different day/time in the week? That shouldn't make a difference, but might be a clue to help developers reproduce the issue.

john.allred wrote:Primary is the problem we have with the new attendance tools. All of our primary classes take place over individual zoom calls. But our teachers do not have the ability to take attendance. I’m trying to think through the reasons why the people who know the information would not have the ability to enter the information. I suppose one reason is that primary teachers are not set apart to a specific class, but it wouldn’t be too hard for the developers to allow the primary presidency to assign teachers to a specific class and then only allow them to do attendance for that class.

I don't know the reason why teachers don't have access to the attendance tools, but I think it would be hard for a teacher to multi-task to make a list of everyone who's there while also teaching (this would especially be the case for singing time). It would probably be easier for a member of the primary presidency who isn't teaching to join the call, whether for the full class or for part of it, to record attendance.

I don't know the reason why teachers don't have access to the attendance tools, but I think it would be hard for a teacher to multi-task to make a list of everyone who's there while also teaching (this would especially be the case for singing time). It would probably be easier for a member of the primary presidency who isn't teaching to join the call, whether for the full class or for part of it, to record attendance.

We haven’t had singing time in a year and probably won’t have it this year either. At least not until late Fall.

We have two teachers for each primary class. We told one teach to teach the zoom class and the other one to take roll. But we assumed the second teacher would be able to enter the attendance information for their class. It’s a 20 second task if they have the ability to do so in the tools app. But if they don’t, they have to write up an email and send it to the primary presidency and then hope someone in the presidency will record the attendance. Let’s be honest, that’s unlikely to happen. Or maybe they will do it for a week or two, but it will quickly fall off. But if the teachers could record it on their own phones we would have much higher rates of attendance records.

There is a member of the Primary presidency who is responsible for ensuring that attendance is recorded, the secretary in the Primary Presidency. General Handbook section 12.3.3 "Work closely with teachers and leaders to keep accurate attendance records."

john.allred wrote:I suppose one reason is that primary teachers are not set apart to a specific class, but it wouldn’t be too hard for the developers to allow the primary presidency to assign teachers to a specific class and then only allow them to do attendance for that class.

While they aren't set apart for a specific class they can be assigned to a class in LCR.

I would LOVE if someone would provide a list of who has access to this report on Member Tools app. I'm spending so much time talking to secretaries and orgs and trying to get them to log in to see if it works, etc. So far, no love for anyone but the org presidency (no class presidencies that I can confirm have access). No teachers.

Only the (adult) organization presidency members plus their secretaries, bishopric, ward clerk, assistant ward clerk, and assistant ward clerk - membership currently have access to the Class and Quorum Attendance report in Leader and Clerk Resources (LCR). The same should be true in Member Tools. But I cannot confirm it.

jdlessley wrote:Only the (adult) organization presidency members plus their secretaries, bishopric, ward clerk, assistant ward clerk, and assistant ward clerk - membership currently have access to the Class and Quorum Attendance report in Leader and Clerk Resources (LCR). The same should be true in Member Tools. But I cannot confirm it.

Someone stated in another thread that the access to attendance reports in Member Tools was different than access to the attendance reports in LCR (e.g. some have access via the app but not LCR). That would need to be confirmed.

Not sure if this is the best place to post this, but I would like to make a feature request that youth quorum and class secretaries are able to record attendance online. This would seem to be consistent with having a youth led program and allowing the Bishoprics and other adult leaders to focus more on the youth.

csharp wrote:Not sure if this is the best place to post this, but I would like to make a feature request that youth quorum and class secretaries are able to record attendance online. This would seem to be consistent with having a youth led program and allowing the Bishoprics and other adult leaders to focus more on the youth.

If you're using the Member Tools app you can click help and in there you can send feedback/request. Also on LCR usually at the bottom of the page is a feedback button.

The more people to send in a request the more likely we are to get a change. As of right now, our youth are going to keep using a google spreadsheet to keep roll and then someone with access will enter it into LCR. We've struggled to roll out this change since it is effecting all organizations and there has been almost no guidance from HQ on who has access. So far, our efforts are probably only collecting 50% of the attendance so far (patchwork of classes).

csharp wrote:Not sure if this is the best place to post this, but I would like to make a feature request that youth quorum and class secretaries are able to record attendance online.

This is in line with the discussion with the topic of this thread. However, since the forum is primarily user-to-user help and support the only thing we can do is discuss it. Those who make the decisions related to this topic most likely will never see this topic discussion. To get your feedback to those who can do anything about it is through the feedback link found at the bottom of the Class and Quorum Attendance report page. It is in the footer for the page. All feedback provided this way will be routed to the responsible people, department, or council for consideration. Due to the amount of feedback submitted through this channel do not expect to get a personalized response. Sometimes there will be no response at all. Another method to get feedback to the correct people is to send the feedback up the priesthood chain. You talk to your bishop; he talks to your stake president; he talks to the area coordinating council; and so on...

Looking for advice on how to report attendance for the ward when we were unaware of this app AND no one entered info through the Tools app AND quarterly reports are past due with no ability to correct stats. Any suggestions?

ShaunPilling wrote:Looking for advice on how to report attendance for the ward when we were unaware of this app AND no one entered info through the Tools app AND quarterly reports are past due with no ability to correct stats. Any suggestions?

If you click on (edit: the "View More" link to the right of the check boxes for each member), you will see options to record prior month's attendance. Not as easy is scrolling down the list, but doable in a pinch. Since the quarterly report only counts the last month of the prior quarter, you will only need to enter March information which should pull into the report after a slight delay (should be about 5 minutes but could be longer due to server load). Technically, you only need one checkmark for any week a member attended the class/quorum meeting in March (this is how the report was being submitted prior to this new app). April is not over so entering March data should pull into the quarterly report so it can be submitted before the end of the month. In the words of a prior prophet, "just do the best you can."

In my opinion, communication and instructions regarding this were lacking so don't feel bad that it was missed. As a prior EQ Presidency counselor, I mentioned it to our EQ President at the time shortly after the app became available - his response was "until he received direction/instructions regarding it he wasn't going to worry about entering the information." Thus we only have my personal record for some weeks and then our EQ meetings for part of March after I was called as the new EQ President.

ShaunPilling wrote:Looking for advice on how to report attendance for the ward when we were unaware of this app AND no one entered info through the Tools app AND quarterly reports are past due with no ability to correct stats. Any suggestions?

As Dave said, you only need one attendance marked for the month of March for them to count in the budget calculation. I had the same problem with a youth organization so I just asked who was attending and picked a week and marked them as attending for each youth. That gets the stats to be right as a total. I think we have it ironed out for 2nd quarter data to be more meaningful on the week to week basis.

I sent a feedback asking that the YW/YM/Primary rolls allow those organizations to mark the adult attending those classes. It's wonky to require the RS to try to track which women are serving in primary and YW and to know if they are there or not.

Bueno seria fantástico poder decirles a estos hermanos que van a la Capilla a solo permanecer en los pasillos, en una entrevista posterior (y mostrarles su asistencia a la Iglesia y lo que ha hecho durante los últimos 4 o 6 meses) y decirles que se les ha visto en la iglesia pero para nada interesado en las clases y otras actividades. Estoy seguro que seria una muy buena lección para el miembro que hace esto.

chriswoodut wrote:I would LOVE if someone would provide a list of who has access to this report on Member Tools app. I'm spending so much time talking to secretaries and orgs and trying to get them to log in to see if it works, etc. So far, no love for anyone but the org presidency (no class presidencies that I can confirm have access). No teachers.

That information is available in the "Access Table," which you can find under the "Other" heading on LCR. The table confirms what you are finding.

We have discovered that Sunday School teachers don't have "Class & Quorum Attendance" privileges, which feels like an oversight. They are willing to record attendance for their own classes, but only the SS presidency has that access. Can that privilege be extended to SS teachers?

mbarron3 wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 1:02 pm We have discovered that Sunday School teachers don't have "Class & Quorum Attendance" privileges, which feels like an oversight. They are willing to record attendance for their own classes, but only the SS presidency has that access. Can that privilege be extended to SS teachers?

You can submit that as feedback from the attendance report page, but it is the presidency who are responsible for reporting attendance, not the instructors. Reporting here will not necessarily get your desires in front of those who direct the programmer's priorities - it has been reported that feedback is read and summarized for consideration by the appropriate coordination counsel at church headquarters.

Currently, if you want the instructors to report attendance, they will have to do it on a paper role for the SS Secretary (or a member of the SS presidency) to compile and report online.

Do we mark attendance only for those brethren in our quorum meeting, or do we also mark those that we know are serving in other callings that hour (bishopric, YM, primary, etc)?

tsantiago wrote: Sun May 01, 2022 12:04 pm Do we mark attendance only for those brethren in our quorum meeting, or do we also mark those that we know are serving in other callings that hour (bishopric, YM, primary, etc)?

The help text for the quarterly report provides the instruction for line 14, Melchizedek Priesthood holders attending priesthood, Sunday School, or Primary meetings, stating "Record Melchizedek Priesthood holders and visitors attending priesthood, Sunday School, or Primary meetings using the Class and Quorum Attendance tool in LCR or Member Tools." So if an EQ member has a calling that requires their attendance in another priesthood meeting, Sunday School meeting, or Primary meeting then the member is recorded as having attended for that Sunday. In our ward the ward clerk marks the attendance in the Class and Quorum Report for those in callings that would require attendance in the Aaronic Priesthood meetings, Youth Sunday School meetings, or Primary meetings.

I am the stake RS secretary and a few of the ward secretaries (that I'm supposed to train) have questions about taking attendance, specifically regarding visitors. I don't have access to the same reporting functions they do. Can someone tell me how visitors are supposed to be recorded in Relief Society or should I direct the ward RS secretaries to their ward clerk?

Class and quorum attendance recording for visitors is not yet available in either LCR or Member Tools. The work the programmers have to do has not yet caught up to meet the requirements established in the recent changes in the General Handbook.

jdlessley wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 11:03 am Class and quorum attendance recording for visitors is not yet available in either LCR or Member Tools. The work the programmers have to do has not yet caught up to meet the requirements established in the recent changes in the General Handbook.

The Android version that I downloaded today has the visitors option now! The iOS version is in beta.

Biggles wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 11:29 am The Android version that I downloaded today has the visitors option now! The iOS version is in beta.

I also downloaded the Android latest version but cannot find how or where visitors are recorded.

jdlessley wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 12:36 pm

Biggles wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 11:29 am The Android version that I downloaded today has the visitors option now! The iOS version is in beta.

I also downloaded the Android latest version but cannot find how or where visitors are recorded.

After selecting the Class & Quorum Attendance tab, the visitors option is right at the top. This is assuming you are a leader or secretary.

jdlessley wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 12:36 pm I also downloaded the Android latest version but cannot find how or where visitors are recorded.

For me it didn't show up until I restarted my phone. Now, there it is, right at the top.

Thank you so much for your quick responses! I will share this with the ward secretaries.

mcope wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 9:52 pm

jdlessley wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 12:36 pm I also downloaded the Android latest version but cannot find how or where visitors are recorded.

For me it didn't show up until I restarted my phone. Now, there it is, right at the top.

Signing out and then back in solved it for me. (Should have known!)

I was just called as Primary secretary for my ward. General Handbook 12.3.3; 3rd bullet states "Using LCR , work with elders quorum and Relief Society secretaries to keep attendance records for adults serving in Primary." Where in LCR can I, the primary secretary, enter the attendance for adults serving in Primary? I have found where I enter it for the Primary children, but I am not finding it for the adults called to primary. Thank you in advance!

awessell wrote: Fri Feb 10, 2023 12:56 pm I was just called as Primary secretary for my ward. General Handbook 12.3.3; 3rd bullet states "Using LCR , work with elders quorum and Relief Society secretaries to keep attendance records for adults serving in Primary." Where in LCR can I, the primary secretary, enter the attendance for adults serving in Primary? I have found where I enter it for the Primary children, but I am not finding it for the adults called to primary. Thank you in advance!

You should keep track of the Primary adult attendance each Sunday and report it to the Relief Society and Elders Quorum secretaries or Presidents if there is no secretary. Reporting it to the ward clerk is a second option. Primary does not have access to logging the adult attendance in LCR or member tools.

awessell wrote: Fri Feb 10, 2023 12:56 pm General Handbook 12.3.3; 3rd bullet states "Using LCR , work with elders quorum and Relief Society secretaries to keep attendance records for adults serving in Primary." Where in LCR can I, the primary secretary, enter the attendance for adults serving in Primary?

I'd use the feedback tab/link in LCR to report this. Make sure you include the GH reference as that's likely to get someone's attention.

russellhltn wrote: Fri Feb 10, 2023 1:43 pm

awessell wrote: Fri Feb 10, 2023 12:56 pm General Handbook 12.3.3; 3rd bullet states "Using LCR , work with elders quorum and Relief Society secretaries to keep attendance records for adults serving in Primary." Where in LCR can I, the primary secretary, enter the attendance for adults serving in Primary?

I'd use the feedback tab/link in LCR to report this. Make sure you include the GH reference as that's likely to get someone's attention.

The handbook says work with, not enter. I believe it is programmed this way by design.

garystroble wrote: Fri Feb 10, 2023 2:07 pm

russellhltn wrote: Fri Feb 10, 2023 1:43 pm

awessell wrote: Fri Feb 10, 2023 12:56 pm General Handbook 12.3.3; 3rd bullet states "Using LCR , work with elders quorum and Relief Society secretaries to keep attendance records for adults serving in Primary." Where in LCR can I, the primary secretary, enter the attendance for adults serving in Primary?

I'd use the feedback tab/link in LCR to report this. Make sure you include the GH reference as that's likely to get someone's attention.

The handbook says work with, not enter. I believe it is programmed this way by design.

It also says "Using LCR". How? Drop those two words and we're in agreement.

It's possible that it's an editing artifact and it's the Handbook that needs to be corrected.

For certain Primary does not have LCR access to adult attendance. Neither does Young Women. Young Men probably does as that is the Bishopric.

Granted, it's a bit muddled. My understanding of the "Using LCR" phrase is that it is referring specifically to the "keep attendance records" phrase, stating that the records for adult Primary attendance should be kept in LCR. And if the Primary Secretary was intended to enter adult attendance in LCR, I wouldn't see why she would have to ever work with the EQ and RS secretaries if she could just do it directly herself.

One reason for this way of structuring things, might be to help the EQ/RS be better aware of those org members who are in Primary. If the Primary Secretary simply entered their attendance, it would be even easier for adults in Primary to be "out-of-sight, out-of-mind" from their org leaders. By having the EQ/RS secretaries enter the info in LCR in themselves, it's another chance for them to pick up on attendance patterns that otherwise might not be as visible. Or maybe I'm just stretching to find a reason