Where is the Youth Protection Training Report?

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Senior Member
#1
The church's news release on the new youth protection training indicates there is a report in LCR to see who has completed the training, but I don't see it on the Reports menu (I'm an assistant ward clerk, so I believe I'd have access to it). Does anyone know where the report is? Or did the news release come out before the report?
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#2
I'm in the stake presidency - our stake clerk indicates it is under leader and clerk resources/reports, but it doesn't show on my menu. Who will eventually have access to this? Also, a number of us have completed this training and the stake clerk reports that currently no one shows as having completed the training. Thank you for your help.
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#3
The system is brand new, as in, one day since the announcement. The Notice, dated yesterday, says that these things "will soon be available" at LCR. Affected members have 30 days to take the training.

As for access to the report, if the stake president, stake clerk, bishop, and ward clerk can see it already, and counselors and assistant clerks cannot, that may answer the question of who has access to the report. The Access Table at LCR has not yet been updated. I expect they might need at least one more day to get that accomplished, as well. [smile]
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#4
I just checked the report for my ward. It lists 54 members, who are all "Past Due" for this training. Some of these members I know for a fact do not ever use a computer, so this will be a challenge for us.
Dana Repouille, Plattsmouth, Nebraska
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#5
Oh, I see. The language differs:
On the news release, it says "A list of members who need to complete the training will be updated regularly in the Leader and Clerk Resources section of ChurchofJesusChrist.org."
On OCL, it says "A list of members who need to complete the training will soon be available in the Leader
and Clerk Resources section of ChurchofJesusChrist.org and will be updated regularly."
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#6
This is under the reports section and should now be available (it is for me at least).

I think there is a delay between when someone completes the training and when the report updates with who has completed it. I've completed the training and a few others have as well, but it is still showing as "Past Due".
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#7
The report was showing yesterday and again this morning. It is AWOL tonight. Might be server overload. Our Primary President completed the training immediately after she received the notice, but as of this morning it still showed her incomplete. I expect there is a few day's lag for the report to update (when it comes back)...
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#8
The report appeared on the LCR Reports menu in Chrome on my Windows 10 laptop at home last night. This morning, my Windows 7 laptop at church shows the old LCR Reports menu, again using Chrome. I won't know until I return home if my Windows 10 laptop still has the new Reports menu, or if it has reverted. This is similar to the 3x3 grid, which appeared and disappeared seemingly randomly.

Something must have been removed from the first column of the Reports menu, because the Moved Out report shifted from the second column to the first column at the same time that the YPT report was added to the second column.
Dana Repouille, Plattsmouth, Nebraska
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#9
My home laptop has reverted to the old LCR Reports menu as well.
Dana Repouille, Plattsmouth, Nebraska
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#10
How do I get the new youth protection training ?
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#11
Dana Repouille, Plattsmouth, Nebraska
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#12
I'm still not seeing a report on who has taken the Children and Youth Protection Training. Anyone else still having this issue?
Senior Member
#13
It was there briefly last week but then disappeared
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#14
My guess is there were problems when they released it and they pulled it back to clean up the code. I have no special knowledge and this is just a hunch, but we should be patient.
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#15
Please post when it is available again.
Thanks
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#16
Our ward council is asking me about a report so please post here when it’s available again. Hopefully I’ll get the notification.
New Member
#17
I checked the link this morning and it appears to be back.
Senior Member
#18
That would be great, but the training report is not back for us yet, though Sunday is a rough day to expect anything online to function properly. I'll check again early next week.
#19
I'm a ward clerk and don't see it. Anyone that can see it, what is your calling?
Senior Member
#20
I’m an Executive Secretary and don’t see it
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#21
wrigjef wrote:I’m an Executive Secretary and don’t see it
So far, only stake presidents, stake clerks, bishops, and ward clerks have reported being able to see it, when it was available to be seen.
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#22
That’s not good considering I’ve been assigned to coordinate and monitor completion in our ward. It’s not listed in the access tables. If the church is still fine tuning, hopefully Executive Secretary's will have access when it’s done.
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#23
wrigjef wrote:If the church is still fine tuning, hopefully Executive Secretary's will have access when it’s done.
They are still tuning. I do not think they are even at the fine turning stage yet.

I do not make the decisions, but I would think an executive secretary would have access. If not, your ward clerk will need to give you a list so that you can contact those who have not completed the training and encourage them to do so.

In the meantime, you may certainly send feedback explaining why you feel you should have access.
#24
I'm surprised a view-only report is taking so long to get out. I'm sitting in ward council and they have no way to see who has done training and the deadline is September 22(?). I guess they can just talk to everyone individually and see if they have done it or not.
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#25
During the 24 hours or so when the report was available, I grabbed a snapshot of the list. I noticed while sitting in ward council this morning that the report does not include Seminary teachers. I assume that is because: (1) Seminary is a stake calling, and (2) Seminary teachers already receive Youth Protection training.
Dana Repouille, Plattsmouth, Nebraska
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#26
The report was only out for a few days a little over a week ago and then it was removed. It has not reappeared since. There may have been issues that needed to be addressed.
JD Lessley
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#27
I sent feedback through the website explaining that the Bishop had assigned me, as Executive Secretary, to track and follow-up on completions. That this assignment was made in large part to lessen the burden on the Bishop. The response I got back from the church said that they were still making adjustments to the report and that they would consider adjusting the access tables if they received enough feedback.

I know allowing the Bishop to delegate the tracking of training would be of great benefit to us and in line with stake and area direction. If this is the case in your unit please provide that feedback through the feedback link on any page of the website.
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#28
The report is now visible under Reports in Leader and Clerks Resources however it is not accurate. I had many members who completed the training when it was first announced by the church, but the report still shows some (including me) as past due. For my ward it seems that those who completed the training since August 26th are reflected accurately. I wonder if members that completed the training earlier will have to take the training again?
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#29
I was happy to see that the report is not only available to Bishops and Stake Presidents as previously reported. I can see it as Executive Secretary, which is what the Bishop was hoping for since he would like me to keep on top of it for him.

I completed the training a few weeks ago even though my calling is not listed. After reviewing the report and not seeing my name listed, I entered myself in as an unassigned primary teacher and my name appeared in the report as completed (I quickly released myself from the primary).
#30
Thanks for the heads up that the report is live. I can see it now (ward clerk).
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#31
lmisner wrote:The report is now visible under Reports in Leader and Clerks Resources however it is not accurate. I had many members who completed the training when it was first announced by the church, but the report still shows some (including me) as past due.
Given the high number that are complaining they can't log into it, I wonder if they went unrecorded.
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#32
I recommend reporting the training not being recorded via feedback. It is possible they can see the completion and get it linked to your membership record (I have no understanding of the back-office database processes at the church). At best, it will be fixed. At worst, you will need to take the 15-minute training again when they get the login bugs worked out (I'm glad it is quick and relatively painless).
New Member
#33
I submitted feedback. Thank you. We will retake the training if necessary.
Senior Member
#34
It's really aggravating to have taken the training, then be scolded by a leader for it not being taken and now overdue. Not cool guys, seriously not cool.

Unless it is found I now have a permanent record at the church saying I didn't complete this task and I'm overdue for taking it. Great, say goodbye to that apostleship I always dreamed of!
“A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defense of custom.”
― Thomas Paine, Common Sense
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#35
johnshaw wrote:and now overdue.
It is? Others are reporting a deadline of September 22.
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#36
russellhltn wrote:
johnshaw wrote:and now overdue.
It is? Others are reporting a deadline of September 22.
Our report list any uncompleted ones as overdue today.
Senior Member
#37
It appears that everyone that was in a listed calling but has not completed the training shows a status of over due. Those that have been called to listed positions since the trading was introduced have a status of not completed.
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#38
Since the deadline is September 22, it appears that the report still has problems. And will we even be able to sign in to take the training by then? Inquiring minds.

Someone must be having a really bad week/month programming this one. They should have left it with Single Sign On.
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#39
We have no issues with it. Individuals who have taken the training appear correctly. Our Bishop was one of the first to complete when the training first became available. He did not show up on the first report that was only available for a few hours but when the report came back online, he was there and his completion was correct.
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#40
wrigjef wrote:We have no issues with it. Individuals who have taken the training appear correctly. Our Bishop was one of the first to complete when the training first became available. He did not show up on the first report that was only available for a few hours but when the report came back online, he was there and his completion was correct.
We have had mixed results. Some took the training the first day it was available and it still does not show as completed, even though they received an email stating it was completed. Others are still having difficulty starting the training (the membership number bug that has been reported previously).

It looks like the "Past Due" is a simple mathematical function based on the sustained date and they forgot to allow any grace period for those were in a calling before the training was issued. I have advised our ward council to ignore the "past due" and simply try to get it done before the end of September (though some still cannot get to the training due to the software bug).
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#41

Re: Where is the Youth Protection Training Report? Accuracy

I took the training pretty much as soon as I was notified about it being available. I have an email from August 18th stating that I have completed the training. When reviewing the report with the Stake President today I see that I am listed as overdue. Are the early bird folks out of luck and need to retake the course for it to be added since the reporting was added? Has anyone else seen this issue?
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#42

Re: Where is the Youth Protection Training Report? Accuracy

rwardell wrote:I took the training pretty much as soon as I was notified about it being available. I have an email from August 18th stating that I have completed the training. When reviewing the report with the Stake President today I see that I am listed as overdue. Are the early bird folks out of luck and need to retake the course for it to be added since the reporting was added? Has anyone else seen this issue?
We have had this issue in our ward. I advised members affected to provide feedback to see if they can re-link the training to their membership record (I don't know what the processes are behind this). No one has reported a response to said feedback and most are going ahead and taking it again. Most say it only takes 15 minutes even if you are a slow reader.

Even though the report says "overdue" everyone is given 30 days to complete it and since it was not released until late August they are technically not "overdue" just yet. If you took everyone out of their callings and recalled them again (not recommended), they would all show "not started" instead of overdue.
#43
I had a member say she received an email from the church that she needed to log back in to get the system to flag the training as done. She did so and had me check if it was showing up completed -- which it was. So, sounds like there may be an effort to clean up straggler/missing completions. OR, I misunderstood what she was talking about. :)
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#44
Training was supposed to be done by today but there is still no report to see who has done it and has not done it.
Senior Member
#45
There is a report but only those in certain callings can see it.
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#46
OK, I am Sunday School secretary, and was told to make sure those that didn't take it take it. I'll have to ask if anyone in the clerks office can see it.
Senior Member
#47
I can see it (Executive Secretary), I know the Ward Clerk can see it, the Bishop sees everything. Our Bishop has me contacting auxiliaries.
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#48
I completed my YPT the day it came out, August 16th, have a screenshot of proof but it still isn't showing up that I did it on the list. How can that be fixed?
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#49
The easiest way is to take 15 minutes and do it again. The harder and longer road involves having the clerk contact the Global Service Department to see what they can do.
JD Lessley
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#50
We continue to have a few members who complete the training yet do not receive registered credit. Drilling down on the most recent incident with a very savvy computer user...
- I have explicitly confirmed that they are seeing the expected "Thank you for completing this training" screen (content and format is identical to what I see when I successfully complete the course and receive registered credit).
- The only missing element is they don't receive a confirmation of completion email.

Given the number of individuals just within our ward that have reported completing the training but not successfully registering on the system as completed...I would have expected the Church to have more formal help or forum on this topic. Especially in light of the BSA liability issues the protection training has to be treated as a very high priority for the Church.

FYI: I submitted a webpage "Feedback" request last week requesting that Primary, YW and Sunday School presidencies be allowed access to the "Protecting Children & Youth Training" report on LCR to better empower timely follow up to ensure newly called members complete their training. At present the LCR privileges only allow Bishopric members access to the report.
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#51
brucederrick wrote:At present the LCR privileges only allow Bishopric members access to the report.
When I served as ward clerk, I would print each organization's list from the report hand it to the organization president during ward council or in between the Sunday meetings. You can filter the list by organization so I would filter, print, filter, print, etc for the several organizations. That would give them access to the list without having access to the report. I didn't bother printing one for the bishopric members as they had access.

Agreed it is not an "online" solution that lets them get it at their convenience in digital format, but it is a workaround that works and is neither hard nor particularly time consuming.
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#52
It is possible to view the training without being signed in. However a person has to be signed in before starting the training in order for the completion to be recorded.
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#53
I was one of the early students who do not show as having completed the training because of the Church rollout problems. I have the email and the completed screenshot. I have not pressed the issue because I am not currently in a calling that requires the training (although that is currently under review).

In any event, I seem to recall that if the clerk forwards the email to the GSD, they have said they will credit the training. I do not know what they would do with just a screenshot. And as has been mentioned, taking the training again is also a quick solution, and perhaps a good review of the topic anyway.
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#54
When I check our ward Children and Youth Protection Training Report Status today, it is completely blank with no members at all. Previously it had everyone in a youth calling with their status as trained or not.
Is this part of the Covid shutdown or is it something else?
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#55
larry19810 wrote:Is this part of the Covid shutdown or is it something else?
It is more likely a service and/or server issue. When you see something like this submit feedback using the feedback link. In this case the link is titled Do You Have Feedback On This Page?.
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#56
Thanks. I just did that. But the link at Have Feedback On This Page?. Seems like a very generic survey for the entire LCR website. I tried to add enough detail to explin the problem location.
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#57
larry19810 wrote:Seems like a very generic survey for the entire LCR website.
The link is generic but the feedback is sent back with the URL of the page on which it was clicked. The feedback will be sent to the responsible team. You may not get a response but the issue will be addressed.
JD Lessley
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#58
Is there the possibility of allowing access to the youth protection report to primary presidents and Sunday school presidents? We are trying to make sure anyone who comes in contact with the children in our ward are certified but it is difficult not being able to see if a specific substitute has completed the training on the fly.
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#59
RebeccaBunker wrote: Sun Aug 22, 2021 9:53 am Is there the possibility of allowing access to the youth protection report to primary presidents and Sunday school presidents?
The forum is primarily user-to-user help and support. Those who can answer that question do not visit here. You can use the feedback link found at the bottom of most ChurchofJesusChrist.org pages in the footer to submit your concerns and suggestions. The feedback submitted there will be routed to the proper people, organization, office, council, or department. Sadly though, the answer to your question will most likely not result in a personal response. But rest assured your feedback will be considered.

Organizations needing the report will have to speak to the ward clerk to have him send a copy. I do this monthly for our organizations.
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#60
Has everyone started letting their wards know that its time to recertify? We just started reminding our members, and next week at ward council I will, as Ward Clerk, provide this to the different presidencies. Talk to your ward clerks have them go to reports > Children and Youth Protection this will populate a list of prescribed from SL which of your members have completed, coming due or past due on this training. If your member is not required to complete this due to their calling, such as a Ward Clerk for example, they will not show up on this list. Good luck.
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#61
alariss wrote: Sun Aug 21, 2022 6:32 pm Has everyone started letting their wards know that its time to recertify? We just started reminding our members, and next week at ward council I will, as Ward Clerk, provide this to the different presidencies. Talk to your ward clerks have them go to reports > Children and Youth Protection this will populate a list of prescribed from SL which of your members have completed, coming due or past due on this training. If your member is not required to complete this due to their calling, such as a Ward Clerk for example, they will not show up on this list. Good luck.
Is there a regular time of year that everyone needs to recertify? I assumed that everyone's training cycle was different depending on when they received their calling.
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#62
It's been a couple of years since I was in the Clerk saddle, but our ward did a big push when this first came out so most were completed about the same time. I believe they expire based on the anniversary of when they were taken so there could be a bunch coming all due at the same time if they were completed about the same time on the last round. But with calling changes, there will probably be others due at different times so this is something a clerk might want to check monthly and report to the ward council so they can work with individuals who need to retake the training before they go past due. I always wished that the church had set it up so individuals could see their own status (so they could self-manage it), but it doesn't work that way.
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#63
sbradshaw wrote: Mon Aug 22, 2022 11:09 am Is there a regular time of year that everyone needs to recertify? I assumed that everyone's training cycle was different depending on when they received their calling.
As I understand it, the training lasts for three years. Our ward recently held a training push, and I thought to myself, yeah, I should be okay. I took it a couple of years ago and the training should still be good for a while. But when I dug out my electronic certificate to send it to the clerk, I saw that I only had a month left before it would expire.

So I did the training again. As they say, time flies when you are having fun. Or something like that.
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#64
lajackson wrote: Mon Aug 22, 2022 12:32 pm
sbradshaw wrote: Mon Aug 22, 2022 11:09 am Is there a regular time of year that everyone needs to recertify? I assumed that everyone's training cycle was different depending on when they received their calling.
As I understand it, the training lasts for three years. Our ward recently held a training push, and I thought to myself, yeah, I should be okay. I took it a couple of years ago and the training should still be good for a while. But when I dug out my electronic certificate to send it to the clerk, I saw that I only had a month left before it would expire.

So I did the training again. As they say, time flies when you are having fun. Or something like that.
Actually, Kermit says, "time's fun when you are having flies."
#65
How do I see when my certification expires?
Terry Sackett
2nd Counselor, Bishopric
Desert Inn Ward
Las Vegas Nevada East Stake
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#66
terrysackett wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 7:24 pm How do I see when my certification expires?
You will have to ask your ward clerk, or a member of the bishopric, what your training expiration date is.
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#67
jdlessley wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 10:57 pm You will have to ask your ward clerk, or a member of the bishopric, what your training expiration date is.
Okay, thanks. That’s unnecessarily inconvenient. If I had realized that four months ago, I would have checked it myself before I was released from the bishopric and printed it. :lol:
Terry Sackett
2nd Counselor, Bishopric
Desert Inn Ward
Las Vegas Nevada East Stake
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#68

Protection of youth and children notifications?

"We are constantly striving to be better and do more, and we invite others to join us in such efforts." https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.or ... abuse-case

How can the Church make this statement when it does not have so much as an automated notification system for expiring protection of you and children trainings? - The only global training on the subject?

Why didn't I receive any notification of the pending expiration of my training?
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#69

Re: Protection of youth and children notifications?

spowzer wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 10:06 pm Why didn't I receive any notification of the pending expiration of my training?
You will have to pass that question to those who can respond and/or direct the effort to make that happen. This is done by submitting feedback using the feedback link found at the bottom of most church website pages in the footer. The service missionaries will forward the feedback to the appropriate person or organization with responsibility for the protection of children and youth training program.
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#70

Re: Protection of youth and children notifications?

spowzer wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 10:06 pm "We are constantly striving to be better and do more, and we invite others to join us in such efforts." https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.or ... abuse-case

How can the Church make this statement when it does not have so much as an automated notification system for expiring protection of you and children trainings? - The only global training on the subject?
As jdlessley mentioned, submitting Feedback on this is a great idea.

Regarding your quote and wondering about the church's statement: As we study the workings of God throughout the history of this earth, it's usually helpful to understand the actions being taken in context of what is happening in societal context. Just as learning about context can help us better understand the old testament, or early church history of the restored gospel at the times of Joseph Smith, it can also help us understand the church's present-day actions in an unfortunate situation.

The statement you quoted is from a public press release and related to pending litigation. The audience is the media and the general public. Statements, such as your quote, have been carefully written and reviewed by church legal counsel before being released. It's basically a short, quotable, positive-sounding, meaningless, non-committal statement. Many organizations in our society issue such statements (for example, look at the recent CEO statements from tech companies regarding big layoffs...short, quotable, positive-sounding, meaningless, non-committal statements). We live in a litigious society and organizations are not going to make any public statements that could be used against them in any pending or future litigation.

The church's goal is to help the gospel move forward throughout the earth while navigating the legal and political situations of our society. A statement in a talk from Elder Holland in the April 2009 General Conference opened my eyes somewhat as to how God might work through difficult societal situations in order to help the overall gospel move forward. He said "We don’t know all that was going on here, nor do we know of protective counsel which the Savior may have given to His Apostles privately..." (Talk reference: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... e-with-him; note a footnote pointing to a talk from President Kimball at BYU that I have not read.) The scriptures gave us the public story of the behavior of Jesus' disciples at a difficult time, but we don't know what may have happened behind the scenes that led to that behavior.

The adversary can certainly use such positive-sounding quotes as a wedge of discouragement to encourage church members to let go of the iron rod when something doesn't seem right with the church's organizational behavior. I hope my thoughts provided some helpful context as to why you might read such statements and wonder why something doesn't seem like you hope it should be. The church's earthly leadership consists of imperfect humans who are seeking inspiration from God to do the best they can.
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#71
thanks for your thoughts. I work in IT and I used the quote because I would have used different language. I'm also a victim of child abuse so I guess I take it more seriously than the church does.
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#72

Re: Protection of youth and children notifications?

jdlessley wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:13 pm
spowzer wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 10:06 pm Why didn't I receive any notification of the pending expiration of my training?
You will have to pass that question to those who can respond and/or direct the effort to make that happen. This is done by submitting feedback using the feedback link found at the bottom of most church website pages in the footer. The service missionaries will forward the feedback to the appropriate person or organization with responsibility for the protection of children and youth training program.
Already did that, thanks.
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#73
spowzer wrote: Mon Feb 06, 2023 9:10 pm thanks for your thoughts. I work in IT and I used the quote because I would have used different language. I'm also a victim of child abuse so I guess I take it more seriously than the church does.
I'm sorry to hear of that situation that has had a significant impact on your life. While I was referring to a public statement from the church regarding an existing legal situation, I have also been in leadership meetings where the stake president was pretty firm in the importance of identifying signs of abuse and reporting it. Over the years, I have become acquainted with people who have been abused (or somewhat related situations)...some by family members, others by church leaders. From my one-sided understanding of these situations, it seems unfair that the abusers got away without apparent consequence. Unfortunately, some victims I've met are not active church members at this point. I'm grateful you're still making an effort to be part of the church. You may not be aware of this, but the First Presidency can annotate church membership records indicating that an individual cannot serve in callings with children or youth (I've been in clerk callings and have seen it...no details of the situation for clerks, but I believe a bishop can contact confidential records to get more specifics on a situation). The church is doing things and is working to get better. Unfortunately, many things start in the hands of imperfect local leaders. There are also imperfect members don't always follow the guidelines (2-deep leadership, how to handle children who need assistance in the bathroom during Primary, etc.), thinking nothing bad could happen where they are. How abuse situations are handled is also complicated by the laws where the incident occurred. I believe bishops and stake presidents are able to consult with church legal specialists in how to handle such situations. There is a perfect judge, and some matters aren't resolved in this life (which is a long time to wait).

If you have the personal strength to talk about your situation (which you may not) and your church leaders feel inspired to have you share it in a meeting, you can have a powerful impact on other church members on the seriousness and reality of abuse. I have been in teary church meetings where people have had the strength to appropriately share some pretty significant personal challenges, and I still remember those messages years later.
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#74
spowzer wrote: Mon Feb 06, 2023 9:10 pm thanks for your thoughts. I work in IT and I used the quote because I would have used different language. I'm also a victim of child abuse so I guess I take it more seriously than the church does.
I understand your concern, and have, over the years, expressed concerns about how IT operates in the church as well. I can only tell you my experience with 'notifications' - As you work in IT I'm confident you've received notifications from monitoring solutions, security solutions, etc... those notifications aren't always perfect either. I can imagine someone like yourself being in a situation where a phone number has changed (notification via text is now broken) an email has changed (notification via email is now broken and if you have a yahoo or hotmail account it aint working anyway) A person has turned off notifications on their phone, (push notifications are now off) - I've even been signed out of apps without knowing - meaning that I no longer receive notifications. Each and every person that gets a notification that they chose to ignore, thought they might get another, let it slip off their to-do list, etc.. will be upset, not that automated notifications weren't done, but that the kind of notification they swear will work the best isn't supported by the church and so the church needs to build something for that.

Are all these a reason NOT to develop the automation, of course not, if it's me, my concern is Bishoprics aren't really looking at that list they have, I've never seen it so I'm not sure. I'd love to see the website show my last time I took the test, or how long before I need to retest. Personally, I've been doing this since the BSA setup a similar program. I was 'certified' for 10 years before I ever had a calling with the youth. I also set a calendar appt to redo the test every year, that's just how I do it. I hope Bishoprics are following up each year with who needs it and who doesn't, but that's all I have is hope. But I also don't believe getting a notification is going to change a bunch for many people. It might for you and me.
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Thanks, Through therapy and the 12 steps those conversations have gotten easier. This is a prickly subject for me especially after i saw how the church vis-a-vis Kirton Mcconkie, is handling abuse cases by asking the perpetrator to self report to law enforcement. I also think the training should be more than every three years, that makes it an afterthought. I think after reading your note about other leaders, it's time for another email to my stake pres on the subject.
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#76
spowzer wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 1:30 pm I think after reading your note about other leaders, it's time for another email to my stake pres on the subject.
If I were in your shoes, I wouldn't use an email - I would make an appointment to visit with him about your concerns. Emails can be so easily missed or misinterpreted.

Personally, I think this should be a clerk duty as it is entirely administrative and the bishopric have more pressing responsibilities than reporting training status to members. The clerk can see the report and when I was clerk I would provide information in Ward Council at least 1x per month so the organizations could take action. Now, getting the organization leaders to do something was an entirely different matter sometimes... It would sure be better if there could be something on a member's profile showing status like the temple recommend expiration date, but I suppose there are other priorities ahead of that programming.
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#77
spowzer's comments prompted me (a membership clerk) to go look at the certifications in our ward to see if anything needs to be renewed. However, as a membership clerk, I found that I do not have access to the youth protection training report. I do have access to the government certification report so I can see who has completed any government certifications (in our case a California live scan). I found those don't have an expiration date, but I found some individuals in callings who still need to get one (or they've done it and it takes a while to get added). I'm surprised I can't see the youth protection training report. I thought perhaps I could remind people to renew their training.
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mevans wrote: Sat Feb 11, 2023 9:15 am However, as a membership clerk, I found that I do not have access to the youth protection training report.
It needs to be the ward clerk, not one of his assistants. The bishop and his counselors can also view the report.
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lajackson wrote: Sat Feb 11, 2023 5:32 pm
mevans wrote: Sat Feb 11, 2023 9:15 am However, as a membership clerk, I found that I do not have access to the youth protection training report.
It needs to be the ward clerk, not one of his assistants. The bishop and his counselors can also view the report.
Plus the executive secretary and assistant executive secretary.
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jdlessley wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 10:57 pm
terrysackett wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 7:24 pm How do I see when my certification expires?
You will have to ask your ward clerk, or a member of the bishopric, what your training expiration date is.
When will we, as members, be able to see our own dates we took the training and when the expiration dates will be...with our own personal notification of this??? It is possible for our temple recommends so why not this? I can't even see for myself this information in my own account. As a RS Secretary, I was able to pull up some list in the L&C but I'm not even listed. Most of our ward isn't and many are "past due" so??
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Olivertwist7 wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 3:38 pm When will we, as members, be able to see our own dates we took the training and when the expiration dates will be...with our own personal notification of this???
The Tech Forum is user-to-user discussion and collaborative self help. We are users just like you with no inside information. No one here has insight to this; and those responsible for making those kind of decisions seldom give program development and timeline information. This has been discussed in other threads since the online training was implemented.
Olivertwist7 wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 3:38 pmIt is possible for our temple recommends so why not this?
You will have to speak with your bishop and see if the need can get passed up the priesthood chain.
Olivertwist7 wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 3:38 pmAs a RS Secretary, I was able to pull up some list in the L&C but I'm not even listed.
If you want to know your status, and have a calling that requires the training, then speak to your organization presidency.
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#82
Report is located here... Leader and Clerk Resources -> Reports-> Member Reports -> Protecting Children and Youth Training
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rcbutts wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 7:14 pm Report is located here... Leader and Clerk Resources -> Reports-> Member Reports -> Protecting Children and Youth Training
Previously, only the bishopric, executive secretary, ward clerk, and membership clerk had access to that report. That access has been recently, within the past few months, expanded to all organization presidencies.
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#84
There is still an issue with recording completed trainings, apparently. We have had many people take the training and receive confirmation that it has been completed, but they show up on our lists and those that need to take it for weeks (often until they just go and take it again). We have a few holdouts that won’t take it again, so I’d like to understand what the issue is and how we can resolve it. Is this simply sending a message with the “confirmation of the confirmation” to GSD and they take care of it? Or are people missing a final step to really and truly complete the training?
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#85
jrhaws wrote: Sat Mar 15, 2025 9:21 am There is still an issue with recording completed trainings, apparently. We have had many people take the training and receive confirmation that it has been completed, but they show up on our lists and those that need to take it for weeks (often until they just go and take it again). We have a few holdouts that won’t take it again, so I’d like to understand what the issue is and how we can resolve it. Is this simply sending a message with the “confirmation of the confirmation” to GSD and they take care of it? Or are people missing a final step to really and truly complete the training?
It could be that they were signed into a Church Account that didn't have their membership record number attached; or that they watched the training together with a spouse and it was recorded on the spouse's account.
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