Two EQ Secretaries

Our new Elders Quorum president has received approval from the Stake to have two quorum secretaries. Both were sustained as EQ secretary, with neither being an "assistant secretary". However, LCR only seems to allow for one person at a time to hold the position of EQ secretary. If I designate the other as Assistant EQ Secretary, will he still have the same access in LCR as the one I designate as the EQ secretary? Is there any other way to designate both as EQ secretary. It looks like the system forces a release of the first if you try to also apply the calling to the second.

LCR only allows one EQ secretary and there is no way around this. This is inline with the handbook which indicates the EQ president can call 'an elder to server as elders quorum secretary'. On the other hand, it mentions 'assistant secretaries' in the same section so there can be more than one assistant secretary.

However, as far as I know an assistant secretary has the same rights in LCR as the rest of the EQ presidency.

dandaman74 wrote:Our new Elders Quorum president has received approval from the Stake to have two quorum secretaries.

I suspect the stake has exceeded it's authority as LCR doesn't permit this. The business rules are not created by the developers, but handed down by the Brethren.

Thanks for your thoughts. As long as an assistant secretary has the same rights in LCR I think we will be fine.

I know this is an older thread. But there are two things to think about here. You can create custom callings inside a presidency and they inherent the access of the group. So you can just create a second secretary in the elders Quorum.

In LCR in the OTHER tab there is an access table that shows what access to LCR each calling has. The EQ presidency all has equal access.

dburstedt wrote:You can create custom callings inside a presidency and they inherent the access of the group.

You might want to verify that, because I don't think that's true.

dburstedt wrote:You can create custom callings inside a presidency and they inherent the access of the group.

Have you actually tried that? I'm 99% sure that isn't correct. Despite how the access table is formatted, everything I've ever seen indicates that rights are granted by position and not organization and that only standard positions confer rights

eblood66 wrote:

dburstedt wrote:You can create custom callings inside a presidency and they inherent the access of the group.

Have you actually tried that? I'm 99% sure that isn't correct. Despite how the access table is formatted, everything I've ever seen indicates that rights are granted by position and not organization and that only standard positions confer rights

I'm 100% sure that it isn't correct. Permission are assigned by calling and not by organization.

Please keep in mind that rights do not appear instantly. It can take up to 24 hours (although 12 hours is more common). I'm not sure how long it takes for a release to be processed - it may be the same. So, if someone went from assistant clerk to 2nd quorum secretary, they will appear to have rights - for about a day.

how about two EQ presidents? the 2nd EQ president did not have access to LCR. Is there a way to give access to 2nd EQ president?

r_vinoya wrote: Sun Oct 10, 2021 6:27 pm how about two EQ presidents? the 2nd EQ president did not have access to LCR. Is there a way to give access to 2nd EQ president?

Handbook 8.1.3 indicates that the Stake can organize a 2nd Elder's quorum in the unit. I would expect the second quorum would have a full presidency (just as the first quorum) and the second quorum presidency should have the same access in LCR as the first quorum presidency does.

r_vinoya wrote: Sun Oct 10, 2021 6:27 pm how about two EQ presidents? the 2nd EQ president did not have access to LCR. Is there a way to give access to 2nd EQ president?

Because you recorded it as a custom calling. That NEVER works.

russellhltn wrote: Sun Oct 10, 2021 7:08 pm

r_vinoya wrote: Sun Oct 10, 2021 6:27 pm how about two EQ presidents? the 2nd EQ president did not have access to LCR. Is there a way to give access to 2nd EQ president?

Because you recorded it as a custom calling. That NEVER works.

Thanks.

The process is to split the quorum and assign the members to the 2nd quorum. I think the presidency members must be in the quorum they are presiding over.

Having two Elders Quorums in a unit is an interesting topic. Historically, I've known that second quorums are possibilities, though I haven't come across a unit with enough Elders or High Priests (the Elders break point seemed high, like 70 or more) to qualify for one. Of course, High Priests quorums are tied to stakes. Before creating a second quorum of Elders I would expect a unit split. I think ward creation is at least somewhat based on active Melchizedek priesthood holders. Then, LCR doesn't seem to be able to support second quorums in units. Additionally, I see second Deacons, Teachers, or Priests quorums as much more likely today than second elders quorums, but they unsupported in LCR as well. Though we could create calling names to indicate status, appropriate LCR access rights would probably be missing.

Please note, I didn't stop to review current instruction in the handbook.

jpjones~ogr wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 11:35 am Then, LCR doesn't seem to be able to support second quorums in units.

As Elders Quorum President, I can see the option to split my Elders quorum in LCR (I was a little surprised that the option is not restricted to the stake...). So I think LCR does support a second Elders quorum (though I agree with you that a second quorum would likely be rare indeed).

jpjones~ogr wrote: Before creating a second quorum of Elders I would expect a unit split.

A number of young single adult wards will have two elders quorums and Relief Societies. The break point for elders is actually 96 (see D&C 107:89).

The real challenge would be if a ward had more than 48 priests. Theoretically, you would need another bishop to preside over the second quorum. But if you have a second bishop, you might as well have a new ward.

I was in a ward that they split the elders quorum 6 months to a year before the ward was split.

lajackson wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:02 pm The real challenge would be if a ward had more than 48 priests. Theoretically, you would need another bishop to preside over the second quorum. But if you have a second bishop, you might as well have a new ward.

I know that CDOL automatically assigns the bishop as the priests quorum president and that if you split the priests quorum the bishop would be assigned as the president to both quorums. I would agree that it would be fairly unusual to get there without a ward split somewhere in the works.

If you have access to reports in Leader and Clerk Resources, you can look under the quarterly report or unit statistics to see how many Melchizedek priesthood holders you have. I would suspect that many wards in Utah or other areas with a lot of Church members have more than 96 elders.

Note that by current policy (General Handbook 8.1.2), prospective elders and all high priests who are not currently serving in a high priest calling are also members of the elders quorum.

The General Handbook doesn't mention the number 96 in the section about splitting the elders quorum (General Handbook 8.1.3), so I'm not sure if actually having 96 members is still required, or if it was just the policy at the time Doctrine and Covenants 107 was received. The General Handbook today says "a very large number of active Melchizedek Priesthood holders."

Interestingly, the General Handbook has provision for splitting the deacons quorum at more than 12 deacons, and the teachers quorum at more than 24 teachers, but does not have provision for splitting the priests quorum (see General Handbook 10.1.5). I'm not sure how splitting the priests quorum would work with only one bishopric. Having 48 priests would be a strong case for splitting the ward, for that reason.

Section 36.2 lays out the requirements for creating a new ward:
- Number of members (active and less active): 300
- Number of active, full-tithe-paying Melchizedek Priesthood holders capable of serving in leadership positions: 1 for every 20 members (active and less active). There must be a minimum of 20.

I'm curious about where in LCR the option for splitting an Elders Quorum is. With ward clerk access I haven't found it, however bishops see features/functions clerks can't, so splitting an EQ may be a feature that's hidden from clerks as well.

YSA wards having two EQ's makes sense. We have a few nearby, which is about the extent of my experience with them.

Thanks for the reference on creating wards. A friend in Washington State recently experienced combining of wards, which caused me to wonder what our ward's rather diminished attendance might lead to.

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