Class Memembers not visable to sunday school teachers

Interesting question. Im an executive Secretary of a ward here in the valley. We have a few primary and sunday school teachers that cant view their classes from the tools app. If I log in I can see each teacher and class but they can not see the class they have stewardship over?

I found this problem with one of our Sunday School teachers today. She didn't have access to the roll of her youth class.

How do we get access to the list of class members for our teachers?

alandd wrote:I found this problem with one of our Sunday School teachers today. She didn't have access to the roll of her youth class.

Sunday School teachers do not have access to this functionality.

scgallafent wrote:

alandd wrote:I found this problem with one of our Sunday School teachers today. She didn't have access to the roll of her youth class.

Sunday School teachers do not have access to this functionality.

Why not?

In the case where I saw this, the teacher is fairly new to the class and felt embarrassed that she did not know the names of the youth students yet. I was surprised and embarrassed that she could not see the list on her phone.

Are we to go wonderfully electronic except for class rosters? How does that make sense?

alandd wrote:

scgallafent wrote:

alandd wrote:I found this problem with one of our Sunday School teachers today. She didn't have access to the roll of her youth class.

Sunday School teachers do not have access to this functionality.

Why not?

I have not been involved in the discussions, so I don't know what the reasoning was for this decision.

scgallafent wrote: I have not been involved in the discussions, so I don't know what the reasoning was for this decision.

Please pass feedback to the proper people that teachers need access to class rosters. And please ask, if class rosters are not to be supplied to the teachers via LDS Tools, what is the for teachers to see their class rosters?

Thank you for the support!

alandd wrote:

scgallafent wrote: I have not been involved in the discussions, so I don't know what the reasoning was for this decision.

Please pass feedback to the proper people that teachers need access to class rosters. And please ask, if class rosters are not to be supplied to the teachers via LDS Tools, what is the for teachers to see their class rosters?

Please submit this feedback using the feedback link in Leader and Clerk Resources. There is a blue link to provide feedback at the bottom right of each page.

Class rolls can be printed from Leader and Clerk Resources. Look for Attendance Rolls under the Reports menu in LCR.

scgallafent wrote:Class rolls can be printed from Leader and Clerk Resources. Look for Attendance Rolls under the Reports menu in LCR.

To clarify, Sunday School presidency members have access to print rolls from Leader and Clerk Resources – they can be printed and given to teachers.

I can't say why the teachers don't have access, but in similar situations the answer has been the division of duties. Perhaps attendance is the Sunday School Presidency's responsibility.

sbradshaw wrote:

scgallafent wrote:Class rolls can be printed from Leader and Clerk Resources. Look for Attendance Rolls under the Reports menu in LCR.

To clarify, Sunday School presidency members have access to print rolls from Leader and Clerk Resources – they can be printed and given to teachers.

Thanks for that clarification.

russellhltn wrote:I can't say why the teachers don't have access, but in similar situations the answer has been the division of duties. Perhaps attendance is the Sunday School Presidency's responsibility.

OK, I can see that. I also think each teacher would want to easily know name, address, email, etc. for each learner. Especially for teachers of youth who might want to visit learners at home and so on.

I express my opinion and puzzlement, not demands. We will make it work with the tools we have.

alandd wrote:I also think each teacher would want to easily know name, address, email, etc. for each learner. Especially for teachers of youth who might want to visit learners at home and so on.

I agree. I'd think teachers would at least want to know the names in the class to try and form a connection. I'm thinking that making the suggestion with that angle is more likely to yield results.

I'm sorry, but having access in the app to your class goes beyond just attendance. Sacred funds have been spent to create the app and enable the communication to members with it. Not giving teachers access to their class members in the app makes the effort of contacting class members with reminders and assignments in class much more laborious. This should be enabled in the spirit of "reduce and simplify". Let's reduce time needed to be good shepherds of our classes and simplify the process of interacting with the classes by enabling this.

SoderborgJG wrote:Not giving teachers access to their class members in the app makes the effort of contacting class members with reminders and assignments in class much more laborious.

The permissions are worked out by the Brethren, not the developers. I'm sure the permissions are worked out in conjunction with advice from the legal department in keeping with various privacy laws. I'm not seeing anything in the handbook that tasks teachers with the responsibility of contacting members.

You can send your request via the feedback link on lds.org. You may not get any response, but it will be reviewed. There are no decision-makers here.

We are trying to get away from paper rolls. Teachers want to access their class member info electronically in the Tools app. Currently only Sunday school members can see all of the class members in each class. Teachers should be able to see the info for the class they are called to teach. As a workaround we are sending PDF files via email with the class list info. We just need the church to update the entitlements for a Sunday school teacher so they can view their class member info via the app.

Yeah there's really no excuse for it. If it were a privacy thing, they could easily disable any information beyond a name. As a newly called Sunday school teacher in a new Ward, v this is extremely frustrating and can make for some embarrassing moments. Our Sunday school presidency isn't bothered with rolls or anything so it's pretty challenging. And it doesn't need to be.

sbradshaw wrote:

scgallafent wrote:Class rolls can be printed from Leader and Clerk Resources. Look for Attendance Rolls under the Reports menu in LCR.

To clarify, Sunday School presidency members have access to print rolls from Leader and Clerk Resources – they can be printed and given to teachers.

That's a needless dependency. The Sunday School President (or presidency if a ward has one) should NOT have to be responsible to get rolls out to their teachers. Especially where many units are meeting virtually for second-hour instruction (i.e., no new printed roll given to each class each month/quarter) - fix this. There is no logical reason why a Sunday School teacher, whose calling is properly entered into MLS/LCR should not have access to see his/her students in the "All Members" tab in LDS tools.

david.north wrote:

sbradshaw wrote:

scgallafent wrote:Class rolls can be printed from Leader and Clerk Resources. Look for Attendance Rolls under the Reports menu in LCR.

To clarify, Sunday School presidency members have access to print rolls from Leader and Clerk Resources – they can be printed and given to teachers.

That's a needless dependency. The Sunday School President (or presidency if a ward has one) should NOT have to be responsible to get rolls out to their teachers. Especially where many units are meeting virtually for second-hour instruction (i.e., no new printed roll given to each class each month/quarter) - fix this. There is no logical reason why a Sunday School teacher, whose calling is properly entered into MLS/LCR should not have access to see his/her students in the "All Members" tab in LDS tools.

The Forum is primarily user-to-user help and support. There is nobody in the Forum who can make any changes. Those responsible and who can consider your concern are not likely to see this topic thread. The system works in accordance to the business rules given to the development teams in ICS by the sponsoring Church committees, councils, and departments. Any suggestions or concerns can be sent to those with authority to make the business rules through the feedback link on Church websites or up your priesthood chain. Either route will most likely not result in a personal response but it will be considered.

As a Sunday School President, I have had the same question and it made no sense to me. Teachers are asking for it to be able to minister to their class. I was told it was related to privacy considerations and particularly for youth.

scgallafent wrote: Mon May 01, 2017 3:29 pm Please submit this feedback using the feedback link in Leader and Clerk Resources. There is a blue link to provide feedback at the bottom right of each page.

jdlessley wrote: Sun Jan 03, 2021 1:43 pm The Forum is primarily user-to-user help and support. There is nobody in the Forum who can make any changes. Those responsible and who can consider your concern are not likely to see this topic thread. The system works in accordance to the business rules given to the development teams in ICS by the sponsoring Church committees, councils, and departments. Any suggestions or concerns can be sent to those with authority to make the business rules through the feedback link on Church websites or up your priesthood chain. Either route will most likely not result in a personal response but it will be considered.

That's a rather hopeless and passive sentiment. If there's really no one that you can forward these requests to, that does not instill in us any confidence that our requests through some other channel (that you've assured us will not yield any response) will be any more fruitful. Yes, I will submit my feedback through the LCR feedback link like @scgallafent previously suggested, but I have to assume that the other users in this thread have also done so, yet to no avail after 5 years. Surely there has to be some mechanism for those of you helping us on this forum (i.e., you're the soldiers on the tech / usability front line) to convey problems and good ideas to the appropriate entities. If that mechanism does not exist for you, then maybe you should use the LCR feedback link to ask for the ability to do so.

This thread has been alive for 5 years, with people running into the same problems. It is hard to believe that after all this time, Sunday School teacher still cannot view their class members, and you cannot provide a report / feedback to anyone on your side of things.

mentalm6t wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:51 am It is hard to believe that after all this time, Sunday School teacher still cannot view their class members, and you cannot provide a report / feedback to anyone on your side of things.

Even as moderators here at the Forum, we are on the same side of things as you. We make our requests through the regular feedback channels just as you do.

Perhaps the reason that Sunday School teachers cannot view their class members is that those who make these decisions have decided that the Sunday School presidency is able to provide this information where needed. Perhaps the request has been approved and is on the list of things to do but does not have sufficient priority yet to be accomplished by the limited number of developers who work on these and other more important things.

They do not tell us the status of these requests. As jdlessley said, the system works in accordance with the business rules given to the development teams in ICS by the sponsoring Church committees, councils, and departments. The development teams do not report to us.