tithing declaration report

Will Stake Presidents be able to access the ward tithing declaration reports online, or will they still need a
printed copy from each unit?

mikebroderick wrote:Will Stake Presidents be able to access the ward tithing declaration reports online, . . .

Yes. Wards who use LCR do not have to print the report.

Do wards need to print the Tithing Declaration Statistics Report? I cannot find it on Finance/LCR on LDS.org

Wards don't need to print the tithing declaration statistics report – tithing declarations can be filled in directly on Leader and Clerk Resources (for example, the bishop can have the page up on a laptop computer in his office as he's receiving the declarations).

but what if the bishop does not have a laptop. because my bishop usually have to go to members house to conduct the tithing settlement hence if i cant print the declaration form for him so he could use to keep records as he goes round and later get it to e to enter then its too bad. I can see the print button on the declaration side but when i click on it it tells me generating report and nothing comes. i dont know how i can print this for my bishop

Medenuck wrote: i dont know how i can print this for my bishop

There seems to be a bug in LCR which shows up for certain browsers. The report is generated but then gets an error when trying to open the generated report. This was previous reported in this thread.

My experience is that it works when using the Firefox browser.

I'm going to submit Feedback and hopefully they can find and fix the problem.

I can print the report with Chrome 61.

Interesting. I just tried it and I got the same problem using Chrome 62.0.3202.62 (I actually got it just a moment ago using Chrome 61 but then I accidentally closed the browser and when I reopened Chrome it was Chrome 62).

I decided to try disabling some extensions and it looks like disabling AdBlocker stopped the problem. I'm not sure what about the page makes AdBlocker think it's an ad but anybody having problems printing may want to try disabling extensions they have installed.

eblood66 wrote:I decided to try disabling some extensions and it looks like disabling AdBlocker stopped the problem. I'm not sure what about the page makes AdBlocker think it's an ad but anybody having problems printing may want to try disabling extensions they have installed.

Adblock can be set to not run on any page in the lds.org domain. I'd suggest doing that. I found in the past that doing so decreased the amount of resources Chrome was using. When it kicks in, the icon will change from the usual red "stop sign" to a green "thumbs up" if the page is on the exception list.

It would be interesting to see what domain that pop up page is from. I suspect it's different from LCR. That's probably what's triggering Adblock.

russellhltn wrote:It would be interesting to see what domain that pop up page is from. I suspect it's different from LCR. That's probably what's triggering Adblock.

It's actually doing a AJAX request which returns a JSON result which contains the PDF data in encoded form. It then opens the data in another window using a blob: URL. It looks like AdBlock blocks this technique by default.

My current wonderment seems closely related this this thread topic, though I'm open to correction.

I'm hoping for a little review of perspectives (below).

Background - Our ward has some interesting struggles this year. Currently they're affecting progress through tithing declaration interviews. Since the new Dec. 15 declaration report submission deadline is close, we're concerned about consequences. We're aware of an interview work-around in the handbook, but as yet aren't permitted to use it. Some local input suggests that this report deadline is soft, and an absolute date is in January. Slight spill over into January might have worked previously, but I've successfully avoided testing such boundaries.

Perspectives - Barring some interesting miracles, it's likely that we will miss the submission deadline. This failure should promptly trigger outreach from HQ, which should open access to the handbook work-around.

I've been asked for input on a rather unique topic, so I'm trying to check my sanity. Other insights are welcome.

John

I don't know or have access to the instructions sent to local units, but I do know that there won't be a submit button any more and that a ward/branch will be 'submitted' on or after the 1st of January when all members in their unit as of January 1st have a declaration. Even if you complete all your interviews by the 15th, if someone moves in after that you will still need to do their declaration (unless the prior ward already did it). In the past there was some deadline for when the report was supposed to be submitted (used to be manually) to HQ. From memory it used to be January 15th, but that was ~15 years ago when I was a ward clerk.

jonesrk wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 1:21 pm I don't know or have access to the instructions sent to local units, but I do know that there won't be a submit button any more and that a ward/branch will be 'submitted' on or after the 1st of January when all members in their unit as of January 1st have a declaration. Even if you complete all your interviews by the 15th, if someone moves in after that you will still need to do their declaration (unless the prior ward already did it). In the past there was some deadline for when the report was supposed to be submitted (used to be manually) to HQ. From memory it used to be January 15th, but that was ~15 years ago when I was a ward clerk.

The official letter dated Aug 25, 2022 entitled 'Tithing Declarations and Donor Statements' instructs stake presidents and stake clerks to review the declarations and ensure that all wards have entered all their declarations by Jan 15th.

jpjones~ogr wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:51 am Perspectives - Barring some interesting miracles, it's likely that we will miss the submission deadline. This failure should promptly trigger outreach from HQ, which should open access to the handbook work-around.

I doubt CHQ will reach out before the Jan 15th deadline mentioned in the letter. You may want to make sure your stake president and stake clerk are aware of any issues. I'm not familiar with this work-around. Where in the handbook is this mentioned?

jpjones~ogr wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:51 am Since the new Dec. 15 declaration report submission deadline ...

I wonder where "Dec 15th" came from. That doesn't sound right.

russellhltn wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 1:42 pm

jpjones~ogr wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:51 am Since the new Dec. 15 declaration report submission deadline ...

I wonder where "Dec 15th" came from. That doesn't sound right.

The Aug 25th letter indicates that tithing declaration is supposed to end on Dec 15th. It does not specifically say anything about submitting the declaration then, just that 'tithing declaration ends'. My interpretation is that units are supposed to try to get all tithing declaration meetings complete by Dec 15th. But the bishop will still need to enter declarations for anyone who does not come in for an interview and that really can't happen until after interviews are done.

Thanks for nudging me to re-read the August notice. I previously ignored the stake section, which is a little confusing considering other instructions, but answers a question.

A link in the notice (... tools/help/conduct-tithing-declaration) leads to more detail on tasks and timing. A relevant instruction is that "Declarations should be entered upon completion of tithing declaration and prior to December 15." So, I expect a warning to develop if we miss the deadline.

Cool. I'm ready to rumble now.