Stake Young Men President access to LCR

Why does the "Young Men President, including his counselors and secretary" in Ward and Branch callings have access to Leader and Clerk Resources (LCR), but the Stake Young Men President doesn't?

Surely thats an oversight?

https://www.lds.org/help/support/clerk- ... e?lang=eng

No, it's not an oversight.

From the Leader and Clerk Resources (LCR) FAQs:

Why don’t stake auxiliary leaders and high councilors have access to LCR?
Stake auxiliary leaders and high councilors are primarily responsible to instruct and support ward auxiliary and Melchizedek Priesthood leaders. They orient newly called ward auxiliary and Melchizedek Priesthood leaders and provide encouragement, support, and instruction. They are not responsible for individual ward members. It is the ward clerk’s responsibility to train ward auxiliary and Melchizedek Priesthood leaders on record-keeping tools and responsibilities. If stake auxiliary leaders and high councilors need a list of members for planning purposes, they should request this information through the ward or stake clerk.

But why don't the stake leaders have basic access to LCR? The above statement from the FAQ is why they don't have access to information about members. Right now, the stake RS, YW and YM can't even send an email using LCR or see basic things. For example, it would be nice if the stake RS president could see all the ward RS leader contact information.

bretpetersen1 wrote:But why don't the stake leaders have basic access to LCR? Right now, the stake RS, YW and YM can't even send an email using LCR or see basic things. For example, it would be nice if the stake RS president could see all the ward RS leader contact information.

That information should be available in the Directory. The Directory also provides email lists.

Programming access for each role takes effort. If the information is available elsewhere it doesn't make sense to go to the extra effort.

bretpetersen1 wrote:Right now, the stake RS, YW and YM can't even send an email using LCR or see basic things. For example, it would be nice if the stake RS president could see all the ward RS leader contact information.

As pointed out, the Directory allows that for all members. I don't think the LCR has email to "leaders only" for anyone, including the stake president. So the function you seek isn't there to give access to.

The function I am talking about exists for stake leaders, just not the Aux. leaders. Our SP was telling the stk RS president how she could send e-mails to all the ward RS presidencies. But it turns out that he can do that but she cannot. The tool is in LCR, Applications, Send a message, leaders, Ward/Branch RS presidencies.

https://www.lds.org/messaging/?lang=eng

Click on this link. Then click on "Leaders", then look at at the bottom of the drop down menu
box.

bretpetersen1 wrote:https://www.lds.org/messaging/?lang=eng

Click on this link. Then click on "Leaders", then look at at the bottom of the drop down menu
box.

Close. I can send to one ward's leadership, but I can't send a message to the ward RS for all wards.

I stand corrected, but it doesn't fully function.

russellhltn wrote:

bretpetersen1 wrote:https://www.lds.org/messaging/?lang=eng

Click on this link. Then click on "Leaders", then look at at the bottom of the drop down menu
box.

Close. I can send to one ward's leadership, but I can't send a message to the ward RS for all wards.

I stand corrected, but it doesn't fully function.

When I was a stake clerk I discovered that the stake president and the stake clerk had access to more groups in the Send a Message feature than even assistant stake clerks or stake presidency counselors. I didn't understand then and still don't why access to certain email groups was so tightly restricted. In any case, it could be that you're not seeing the same options it was reported that a stake president can see, but that doesn't mean that those options don't exist.

In any case, back to the original question of this discussion, if stake auxiliary presidents don't have access to these groups in Send a Message, and they also don't have access to member information as explained in the LCR FAQ, then there's really not much reason for them to have any access at all to LCR.

I would like to bring this question back up now that the church has change the structure of the Stake YM's presidency to be a High Council member and the ward YM's presidencies are now the bishoprics. Our stake YM's president would really like the ability to be able to send group messages to these YM quorum leaders. Is there anyone out there in church IT who might be able to address this issue and if this feature can or will be added in the near future?

I'm also interested in this - need some help!

Is there anyone out there in church IT who might be able to address this issue and if this feature can or will be added in the near future?

Many issues noted here on the Forum could be boiled down as follows:
1) Is this intended behavior?
2) If no, how can I try and get it fixed so it behaves correctly?
3) If yes, who can I talk to to get my concerns addressed?
4) Regardless of (2) or (3), any workarounds I can use in the meantime?

Any forum members who are in Church IT are not likely the "decision-makers", and they may not even know the "why" behind programming decisions, since I expect they are often simply assigned tasks to complete, without having background explanatory context.

I continue to hear that the only two real options for advocating change are using the Feedback links on Church webpages, and pushing this up the Church chain-of-command. Your Stake YM President could explain his need to the Stake President and ask if he can bring that up in his coordinating council, perhaps.

That said, it's definitely worth asking your question here! You never know what feedback you might get.

BrianEdwards wrote: Tue Sep 06, 2022 12:34 pm 1) Is this intended behavior?
2) If no, how can I try and get it fixed so it behaves correctly?
3) If yes, who can I talk to to get my concerns addressed?
4) Regardless of (2) or (3), any workarounds I can use in the meantime?

Another possible answer is "they may address this the next time that app is scheduled to get some developer love".

There's a small developer team that works on all the apps. The priorities are set from above. Just because a decision to change has been made, it doesn't mean it will be implemented right away. As such, some features may appear in one place before they become available in other places.

To give Stake YM leaders access to send a message to all the ward YM leadership, they need to do the same for YW and other organizations.

According to the LCR Access Table - under the "Other" menu in LCR - the Stake Young Men (and Young Women) Presidencies do have access to some parts of LCR, including 'Send a Message'. As long as the high councilor(s) serving in the Stake YM presidency callings are recorded in LCR correctly (as the Stake Young Men President/counselors), then they should be able to access LCR and send messages.

nmecantwin73 wrote: Tue Sep 06, 2022 2:22 pm According to the LCR Access Table - under the "Other" menu in LCR - the Stake Young Men (and Young Women) Presidencies do have access to some parts of LCR, including 'Send a Message'. As long as the high councilor(s) serving in the Stake YM presidency callings are recorded in LCR correctly (as the Stake Young Men President/counselors), then they should be able to access LCR and send messages.

Yes, but what can they send to? It seems this thread is about sending to all the ward YM leadership.

russellhltn wrote: Tue Sep 06, 2022 3:05 pm

nmecantwin73 wrote: Tue Sep 06, 2022 2:22 pm According to the LCR Access Table - under the "Other" menu in LCR - the Stake Young Men (and Young Women) Presidencies do have access to some parts of LCR, including 'Send a Message'. As long as the high councilor(s) serving in the Stake YM presidency callings are recorded in LCR correctly (as the Stake Young Men President/counselors), then they should be able to access LCR and send messages.

Yes, but what can they send to? It seems this thread is about sending to all the ward YM leadership.

So they can send it to the YM leadership (i.e. the bishopric). What they can't do is send it to the youth. I'm guessing that is by design, as has been discussed the stake organizations presidencies are to train the ward leaders and the ward leaders are to minister to those under their stewardship. As such the send a message function respects those stewardship boundaries. At the ward level messages can be sent to the AP quorum presidencies/ YW class presidencies.