Adding Events to the November 2014 Calendar

I've encountered an odd problem when posting events to our Stake Calendar for November 2014. Items that are an "All Day Event" are displayed on the day before the date assigned in the "Create Event" process. This doesn't occur with events that have specified Start and End times (they appear on the correct date) and it only occurs in the month of November. Months before and after November 2014 display both timed and all day events correctly. Any help would be appreciated.

Robert Bunker
St Paul Minnesota Stake Executive Secretary

rbunker wrote:I've encountered an odd problem when posting events to our Stake Calendar for November 2014. Items that are an "All Day Event" are displayed on the day before the date assigned in the "Create Event" process. This doesn't occur with events that have specified Start and End times (they appear on the correct date) and it only occurs in the month of November. Months before and after November 2014 display both timed and all day events correctly.

Daylight Saving Time ends in November. Read about the ongoing saga here and in other places. In short, Calendar thinks your all day events begin at 11:00 pm on the preceding day.

So I can assume that the calendar fix made for November 2013 will be made to November 2014 soon?

Oh, how I wish that were true. But the reality is that the only thing we can do is send feedback and hope they get to it.

To their credit, the Calendar folks actually do read this forum from time to time and pick up on things like this. Still, there is no guarantee they will, and a note through Feedback is certainly warranted.

I am not sure why there is a problem each year. The "fix" must be something manual they do to tinker with the software settings. I suppose, but I do not know.

rbunker wrote:So I can assume that the calendar fix made for November 2013 will be made to November 2014 soon?

From your lips to the manager's ear.

Just curious if there's an estimated ETA for this fix.

I created an event for Nov. 17, 2014 but it posts the event on Nov. 16, 2014. I tried creating it on the 18th and it posted it on the 17th. There must be a bug in the system for that month because it is an event that happens 8 months out of the year and I did not have a problem with any of the other months.

melva285676 wrote:I created an event for Nov. 17, 2014 but it posts the event on Nov. 16, 2014. I tried creating it on the 18th and it posted it on the 17th.

Are these all day events?

Yes, three of them after November 3: "High Council Speaking Assignment," "Bishops PPIs" and "Thanksgiving Day."

It is most probably because of daylight saving time. It appears that the "fix" has to be accomplished again each year in November, when daylight saving time ends. Frustrating. If you have the event go from 3:00 am to 9:00 pm (or something similar), it will still list first on the correct day, although it will not show as an all day event. But it is a poor workaround for a problem that seems to be elusive for the last several years.

It will be interesting to see what happens when Daylight Savings ends. I'm wondering if the bug is with events that are too many daylight savings transitions in the future. Right now for Nov 2014 it's a case of exit, start, exit. But after November 3rd, it will be just start, exit.

I am filling in my 2014 Stake Calendar, some how I messed up in November 10th day it will not fill in the data. Unless I enter it on the 11th then it will show up on the 10th. How can I fix this
It affects all dates after the 10th Nov

Thanks
Wally

[Moderator note: I moved this post to the existing topic for this issue.]

brycewj wrote:I am filling in my 2014 Stake Calendar, some how I messed up in November 10th day it will not fill in the data. Unless I enter it on the 11th then it will show up on the 10th. How can I fix this
It affects all dates after the 10th Nov

As you can see from other posts in this topic, you're not the only one affected by this problem. A couple of workarounds have been suggested, but they're certainly not perfect.

It certainly doesn't affect everyone; I have entered a wide variety of events in November 2014 -- repeating and non-repeating events, all-day and timed events -- and everything works perfectly. But I am in the Mountain Time Zone, where CHQ (and the Calendar development team) is located. The only reports of this where I've been able to identify the location of the reporter are for locations to the east of the Mountain Time Zone. I don't know about zones to the west. But clearly it's related somehow to the end of Daylight Saving Time in November.

I'd wait and see what happens after this Sunday (Nov 3) when (in the US) everyone returns to Standard time.

Well, for Central Time, the "fall back" an hour did not affect all-day events on the stake calendar after 2 November 2014. Last week they appeared one day early and today they are still showing one day early.

I am thinking that they should make the effective time of time change to 2:00 AM. That way if it goes back an hour it would only be 1:00 AM. I can't see how that would be a huge change in code.
I really feel bad for the "coders" of this release. I would like to apply for a testing job. LOL.

afroemming wrote:I am thinking that they should make the effective time of time change to 2:00 AM. That way if it goes back an hour it would only be 1:00 AM. I can't see how that would be a huge change in code.
I really feel bad for the "coders" of this release. I would like to apply for a testing job. LOL.

For some reason, it must be more difficult than that. They have been struggling with this for several years now, every March and November when DST begins and ends.

Well, this is for sure not a daylight savings time for the ones fixing the code.
Hope there will be some solition to this.

What's odd is that my all-day events on Dec 1-6 look fine from the December calendar "view", but when I go back a month to the November calendar "view", the Dec 1-6 all-day events show 1 day ahead.

judson.wooters wrote:What's odd is that my all-day events on Dec 1-6 look fine from the December calendar "view", but when I go back a month to the November calendar "view", the Dec 1-6 all-day events show 1 day ahead.

The problem only seem to occur in the particular month (March or November) when Daylight Saving Time either begins or ends in the United States.

lajackson wrote:

judson.wooters wrote:What's odd is that my all-day events on Dec 1-6 look fine from the December calendar "view", but when I go back a month to the November calendar "view", the Dec 1-6 all-day events show 1 day ahead.

The problem only seem to occur in the particular month (March or November) when Daylight Saving Time either begins or ends in the United States.

True, and to be more specific, they only show incorrect when viewing the calendar in the "November" view. In other words, all events viewed from the "November" month view are off by a day ... even those that fall in December. Those same December events look fine from the "December" month view.

judson.wooters wrote:

lajackson wrote:

judson.wooters wrote:What's odd is that my all-day events on Dec 1-6 look fine from the December calendar "view", but when I go back a month to the November calendar "view", the Dec 1-6 all-day events show 1 day ahead.

The problem only seem to occur in the particular month (March or November) when Daylight Saving Time either begins or ends in the United States.

True, and to be more specific, they only show incorrect when viewing the calendar in the "November" view. In other words, all events viewed from the "November" month view are off by a day ... even those that fall in December. Those same December events look fine from the "December" month view.

Somehow there must be an additional factor, which I'm quite sure is your time zone. I see no such problem, but I am in the Mountain Time Zone.

aebrown wrote:Somehow there must be an additional factor, which I'm quite sure is your time zone. I see no such problem, but I am in the Mountain Time Zone.

You don't see November issues at all?

russellhltn wrote:

aebrown wrote:Somehow there must be an additional factor, which I'm quite sure is your time zone. I see no such problem, but I am in the Mountain Time Zone.

You don't see November issues at all?

I believe that's what I said (more than once). Every event scheduled for November 2014 appears exactly how I created it: on the correct date at the correct time; viewed in November, or at the tail end of October, or the beginning of December; in Week view or Month view.

judson.wooters wrote:

lajackson wrote:

judson.wooters wrote:What's odd is that my all-day events on Dec 1-6 look fine from the December calendar "view", but when I go back a month to the November calendar "view", the Dec 1-6 all-day events show 1 day ahead.

The problem only seems to occur in the particular month (March or November) when Daylight Saving Time either begins or ends in the United States.

True, and to be more specific, they only show incorrect when viewing the calendar in the "November" view. In other words, all events viewed from the "November" month view are off by a day ... even those that fall in December. Those same December events look fine from the "December" month view.

What judson.wooters said is true from my non-Mountain time zone. The November month display has problems. The December items display differently, depending on whether you are looking at them in the monthly view of December (they are correct), or looking at them as additional days after the monthly view of November (they are incorrect -- The all day events are a day earlier, and the timed events are an hour or two earlier depending on the local time zone).

The developers seem to have been able to fix the other months.

The fix for this is being tested and will hopefully be released "soon".

I have the same problem in New Zealand and am assuming it is to do with Daylight Saving. The funny thing is when you print the calendar for November the events show the correct date!!

So, I was able to add all the lessons, teachers -no problem to the lesson schedule.

Then I attempted to add events for General Conferences, and Stake Conferences, but - could not.

I was able to add events before I added any of the lessons, it worked for me then -but chose not to add them until completing the lesson schedule.

After I completed the lesson schedule, went back to add events - no go...it's like I don't have rights to add events now.

The calendar developers know about this problem. It is related to daylight savings time. It appears that it is not a trivial problem to fix. You can get around the problem by not using all day events. Schedule your event from 5:00am to 11:00 pm an everything will be fine.
Jed Black Calendar Specialist & Church service missionary