Upcoming Project Need Brainstorming

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Church Employee
#1
Hey there, I'm Matt, Emily's assistant. We are working to improve and enhance our e-books, and we need your help. We are looking for thoughts and ideas on how we can make e-books study alongside print version. Please post your ideas here. Thanks! We look forward to your comments and suggestions.
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#2
Are you looking for help with a specific church or family project?
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#3
sbradshaw wrote:Are you looking for help with a specific church or family project?
We are looking for suggestions on our eBooks and how we can improve them to make studying alongside their print versions easier. Any ideas you might have would be great. Thanks! :)
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#4
OK. I'm confused with what you mean by "studying alongside their print versions" – usually I think of e-books as replacements to the print version rather than something to be studied together with a print version; is that what you mean?
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#5
We have found that there are many who still use the physical manuals rather than the digital versions. We are looking for any ideas that can help us improve the digital versions so they can better work with those still using the print versions. For example, in Sunday School, if the teacher is using the print version of a manual, how can we improve the digital version of that same manual to make your study and experience better. Does that make sense?
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#6
matthewdlohmeyer wrote:We are looking for any ideas that can help us improve the digital versions so they can better work with those still using the print versions.
Are you talking about individuals who use a print version instead of electronic, or making sure a class with mixed print and electronic users are able to function together?

If the latter, a issue that frequently comes up is when the teacher says "read from the second paragraph on page 23" and the electronic has no page numbers.
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#7
russellhltn wrote:
matthewdlohmeyer wrote:We are looking for any ideas that can help us improve the digital versions so they can better work with those still using the print versions.
Are you talking about individuals who use a print version instead of electronic, or making sure a class with mixed print and electronic users are able to function together?

If the latter, a issue that frequently comes up is when the teacher says "read from the second paragraph on page 23" and the electronic has no page numbers.
Making sure a class with mixed print and electronic users are able to function together. You got it. We will look at adding page numbers to the text. Thank you for your input.
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#8
If the e-book is the scriptures it will be useful search for chapter instead of word.
Example: 3 Ne 1:3. So you have change to go directly there!
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#9
why would chapter be a search? that's a browse function.

search for word would be fine if it were still based on a concordance...
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#10
karljtaylor wrote:why would chapter be a search? that's a browse function.
When I use LDSLibrary and the teacher says: "Lets read 1 Nefi ... and then D&C 26 ....", I have to go back from 1 Nefi to Book of Mormon, then back to Scriptures, then select D&C and finally section 26.
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#11
marianomarini wrote:When I use LDSLibrary and the teacher says: "Lets read 1 Nefi ... and then D&C 26 ....", I have to go back from 1 Nefi to Book of Mormon, then back to Scriptures, then select D&C and finally section 26.
I solved this problem by following along in the lesson manual and using the links in the manual to go to the different scriptures, and using the back button to return to the manual.
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#12
Gary_Miller wrote:I solved this problem by following along in the lesson manual and using the links in the manual to go to the different scriptures, and using the back button to return to the manual.
+1 It doesn't get any faster then that.
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#13
Sometimes not every scripture is in the manual. I think jumping to a scripture by reference would be great – it could be merged into the search box, like the search box at lds.org/scriptures.
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#14
Gary_Miller wrote:I solved this problem by following along in the lesson manual and using the links in the manual to go to the different scriptures, and using the back button to return to the manual.
The scriptures in the manual are rarely cited during a lesson. Teacher and members usually cite other scriptures to reinforce the topic that we've study during the week!
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#15
I agree re: the use of page numbers in the ebooks. That would be very helpful.
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#16
I sometimes use regular scriptures in hard copy, even though I have a couple tablet. Here are my reasons:

1. I'm light-sensitive. The less artificial light I'm exposed to, normally, the more I feel the Spirit in church (and the less ill I feel). Tablets and smartphones produce a lot of artificial light. Also, the flickering that happens when you scroll up and down a chapter or such is something I'm somewhat sensitive to (that's not the programmer's fault; it's just the nature of scrolling). I'm actually *more* light-sensitive to the lights that light the room in church, too (but the combination of that and glowing screens within arm's distance is harder to deal with than one or the other).
2. It's a lot faster for me to look up scriptures in my regular scriptures sometimes, because it takes a lot of steps to navigate through the menus to get there. If I'm following along in the teacher's manual, it's a lot faster, though, since I can click the links from there and directly get there. Using the menus is not equally fast on every device. I use a couple Kindle Fires for the app.
3. Physical scriptures don't require electricity or the Internet.

Here are my proposed solutions (the numbers correspond to the issues above):

1.
a) Make it so you can optionally flip pages instead of scrolling up and down (I don't mean by the physically printed book's page, but kind of like the page-down/page-up button on a PC, or moving by page in a Kindle e-book). This removes the flicker issues, since it only needs to refresh once per page turn.
b) Allow a custom font color scheme (instead of just a few options). I like reading with night mode (a black screen produces less light), but I would prefer a less bright font in many cases (I might like to make it red, orange, tan, dark gray or such). Custom background colors and fonts would be nice, too (but less of a priority than the aforementioned).
c) Lobby for more devices that don't require a backlight or glowing screen (the light in the room is enough for some people). As long as screens have to be glowing, some people are going to prefer a regular book. Yes, I'm aware of e-ink devices, although current popular ones don't fill the need (and won't support an Android OS or such; I have heard a rumor about an e-ink Android smartphone, but that's it). There are alternatives to e-ink, though. Anti-glare in sunlight isn't a must (there's not generally a lot of sunlight in church).

2. Make it so you can look up scriptures, talks or such, by typing them in a query box directly (instead of only by navigating through menus): e.g. typing '3 Nephi 10:16-18' will bring it right up. Menus can be pretty slow to navigate through (especially on slower devices). I like typing stuff in to make things happen. Menus and clicking and tapping all the time aren't my thing (although they're not as bad on a touchscreen).

3.
a) Make it so the app takes less battery life and processing power, if possible (this doesn't remove the need for electricity, but it helps). I've noticed that when I use the aforementioned scrolling feature a lot, the battery drains faster. So, if you add a page-turning option, that would increase efficiency.
b) Make it so the device respects a person's wish to be offline and still use it (it told me I needed to have an Internet connection to use it once, although I don't know if that's the norm, now). It never used to prompt me to connect.
c) Make it so you can disable automatic updates. They can get someone off course when they're trying to open up the app to look up something in Sunday School, sometimes. A regular book isn't going to prompt you for updates. Updates are great, but I sometimes like to decide when and where to update.

4. Add more features of things you *can't* do with a regular book.
a) Make it so you can look up highlighted words in a dictionary on your device and/or online with en.wiktionary.org. Bringing a physical dictionary to church with you is possible, but it might be really bulky. The Bible Dictionary and such are great, but there are words that aren't in it.
b) Continue enhancing the audio scriptures. There has been some great progress, lately.
c) Make it so the app can notify you when class is over.
d) Make it so students can connect with the teacher's device for anonymous or onymous polls and such.
e) Make an app that allows users to see the teacher's screen on their own phone or tablet (so everyone can literally be on the same page without having to look up stuff), and/or so the teacher can signal everyone's connected tablets to navigate to the correct location at a whim. Yes, this is possible.
f) When you update the app, try not to remove cool features, if possible, unless you have to. Books keep the features they have (generally), and people can learn to rely on them. If you're trying to simplify the interface, you can always hide the features you would remove, and make an advanced mode for those who want to use them. If you think that will still be confusing to people who might enable it who shouldn't, you can make it pop up a warning when they try to enable it to let them know it might make things overly complicated for regular users.
g) Add a countdown timer (which would be useful for teachers and readers who want to read or have the class read something for a specific amount of time). I have a separate countdown timer app that I use.
h) Allow users to study together (two or more) via their device. So, you can compare each other's highlights and notes. These should be different highlights and notes than you use standardly (another scheme, with what we have now being private). Switching highlight/note schemes would be nice (and having a unique one for each study group). Members of the group would have their devices paired in a fashion.

Anyway, these are some ideas for you, if you like them.

Thanks!
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#17
One thing that comes to mind is to have page numbers correlate with digital and print version.
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#18
rburke wrote:One thing that comes to mind is to have page numbers correlate with digital and print version.
Related request would be to put a column indicator for print versions that have columns. We used to read a column a day in the scriptures when the children were little but that is cumbersome digitally if there are no column indicators (they grew up before digital content was the norm so it doesn't matter to me now). But, when the discussion leader says, "turn to page 24, half-way down the right column..."
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#19
Thanks for implementing the dictionary lookup, by the way. I don't know if my post had anything to do with it, but it's nice.

Another suggestion I have, if it hasn't been suggested, is rather than just have page numbers (I think we have the page numbers now, too, for a lot of publications, including the scriptures), if we could type the number in somewhere and automatically get there, that would awesome.
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#20
Is this thread still relevant?

What do you mean by "E-Books"? PDF files? Something else?
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#21
carloswm85 wrote: Sun Jan 02, 2022 1:43 pm Is this thread still relevant?
The thread was started nearly 9 years ago and the last post prior to yours was over 3 years ago.

I'd say the answer is "no".
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#22
carloswm85 wrote: Sun Jan 02, 2022 1:43 pm Is this thread still relevant?

What do you mean by "E-Books"? PDF files? Something else?
Are you asking if the OP is still soliciting information?