Worldwide Leadership Training online availability

Is the broadcast posted online somewhere?

cougs wrote:Is the broadcast posted online somewhere?

Not yet - that I know of. Maybe Monday when the normal work week starts. I'd expect it to be posted here

It is already posted at http://lds.org/broadcasts/archive/world ... 2?lang=eng

RussellJD wrote:It is already posted at http://lds.org/broadcasts/archive/world ... 2?lang=eng

It's interesting that it was posted in such a strange place. It's available as a link from the News and Events, which is also linked from the home page of lds.org. Those are good places, but it's not going to be "news" for long, so that should not be the only way to get to it.

Unfortunately it is not available via Menu > Serving in the Church, as Elder Nelson said it would be. From there you can only see the November 2010 training. And both the November 2010 and the February 2011 WWLT pages have a dropdown list for "Select another training", but neither one links to the other (their respective dropdown lists include only the one training you are already looking at).

So the links need a bit of work to make this more accessible.

Any way to download this broadcast. I went to the broadcast page, it only has audio available for download. Video is streaming only.

Thanks

chadtew wrote:Any way to download this broadcast. I went to the broadcast page, it only has audio available for download. Video is streaming only.

As far as I know, the video is not in a form that can be directly downloaded. However, there are suggestions for capturing the stream in these threads:

• How can I download video from lds.org?
• Download Mormon Messages to DVD

Some are specific to YouTube, but others apply to any video streams.

I found the news article link as described and see the same issues described.

Tried to test the viewing, appears to be an odd version of some video player that is on its face good, but unfamiliar to many. Also, I see no text yet, I've been working with the November one in my Study Journal on lds.org and will want to do the same with the text of the meeting.

JamesAnderson wrote:Tried to test the viewing, appears to be an odd version of some video player that is on its face good, but unfamiliar to many.

It appears that the LDS Media Player is based on the Brightcove player.

JamesAnderson wrote:Also, I see no text yet

The text always comes later than the video and audio; I'm sure it's far more work and requires more review to get a transcription than to simply upload the video and audio files.

aebrown wrote:It's interesting that it was posted in such a strange place. It's available as a link from the News and Events, which is also linked from the home page of lds.org. Those are good places, but it's not going to be "news" for long, so that should not be the only way to get to it.

I'm surprised at you Alan. A full month before the broadcast, you posted this...

aebrown wrote:It appeared rather quietly, but the broadcast details are now available for the February 12 Worldwide Leadership Training Meeting on the new Broadcast Information page. Basically, it is exactly the same as the 13 Nov 2010 broadcast: It is a 2-hour broadcast, with the first satellite transmission on Friday (February 11) at noon MST (1900 UTC) and then every three hours after that through 9:00pm MST on Saturday (0400 UTC on Sunday, 13 Feb 2010).

The link you mentioned was in all the official broadcast notices sent out by the church and is still the best one to use to get to the broadcast archive. I agree, it should be linked much better from the lds.org main page.

Mikerowaved wrote:The link you mentioned was in all the official broadcast notices sent out by the church and is still the best one to use to get to the broadcast archive. I agree, it should be linked much better from the lds.org main page.

I'm blind - where's the link to the broadcast video? All I see is information on how to view the broadcast on the church satellite network.

Makes sense on the text of the meeting, while the last one was available same-day, it is possible that things were not finalized until very late in the preparations for the broadcast.

As to the archives, here's the link. Found that in the 'news and events' article for the broadcast, which was itself directly linked to from the 'Worldwide Leadership Training' link on the lds.org homepage.

http://lds.org/broadcasts/archive/world ... 2?lang=eng

Can any one tell me if we will be able to download the Video from worldwide leadership this coming week so that It can be put on a dvd for local use with out having to rely on having an internet connection.

I know the training has been posted at http://lds.org/broadcasts/archive/world ... 2?lang=eng

This posting does not have an ablity to download the video currently only watch.

Thank you,
Jason

RussellHltn wrote:I'm blind - where's the link to the broadcast video?

Oops. I thought I had it, but was in a hurry to get out the door and didn't check it out thoroughly. Disregard.

mendjaso wrote:Can any one tell me if we will be able to download the Video from worldwide leadership this coming week so that It can be put on a dvd for local use with out having to rely on having an internet connection.

As reported in an earlier post, it can only be downloaded at present if you use some third-party tool to capture the video stream. I have no knowledge of whether that will change, but since the November 2010 WWLT only offers a streaming version, I think it's a reasonable assumption that no download version will be offered for the February 2011 WWLT.

But you might also check with your stake technology specialist; he may have recorded the actual satellite broadcast and can put it on a DVD for you. That's what we did in our stake.

aebrown wrote:Unfortunately it is not available via Menu > Serving in the Church, as Elder Nelson said it would be. From there you can only see the November 2010 training. And both the November 2010 and the February 2011 WWLT pages have a dropdown list for "Select another training", but neither one links to the other (their respective dropdown lists include only the one training you are already looking at).

So the links need a bit of work to make this more accessible.

When I select the Serving in the Church menu item, the resultant page has a link at the bottom of the right hand column that invites you to View Worldwide Leadership Training Online

cottrells wrote:When I select the Serving in the Church menu item, the resultant page has a link at the bottom of the right hand column that invites you to View Worldwide Leadership Training Online

Between my post and your post, someone fixed the link. When I posted, it went to the November 2010 WWLT; now it goes to the February 2011 WWLT.

That's definitely progress, but it still seems odd that the two WWLT pages don't link to each other, even though they have an obvious dropdown that should provide such linkage.

Is there an e-mail distribution list that we can sign up for to know when these broadcasts will occur? We used to receive paper copies of the schedules from the Stake Presidency. My reason is that if I had know ahead of time that there were multiple broadcasts staring Friday afternoon I could have recorded a clean version to DVD ahead of time for our Stake Presidency to watch at their convenience Sat morning prior to our Stake Conf this weekend. Thx.

How about we make some formal request to allow downloading of these files. The files are there already. Make it available for download after logging in if need be. I like the option for the fact that I do not have a clean copy of the Worldwide Leadership training and the Presidency has asked me to have it ready to play again. I never want to rely on an internet stream.

Please make these videos available for download.

I used the feedback link on the video to request this. Hopefully if this gets enough attention, the change will happen.

I agree that having a dowload would be nice. I wonder if the reason to not have it available is a storage/bandwidth concern. I noticed the video isn't being stored on the Church servers, but instead being hosted by brightcove and being streamed from the edgfcs.net network.

I used two programs to get it on DVD, and the quality was great, but it was a long process. First used a program called StreamTransport to grab the RTMPE stream. Then used DVD Flick to convert & burn it to DVD.

marcporter wrote:Then used DVD Flick to convert & burn it to DVD.

How is the lip sync? I used DVD Flick this past weekend to convert some MP4s to Video DVD, but the lip sync was far enough off to be distracting. I didn't have time to play with it to figure out how to fix it. The MP4 played back just fine on my iPod, so the problem wasn't in the source.

My first attempt was using AVS video converter, and the lip sync was terrible so I tried DVD Flick and it was right on. In the past I've found that lip sync issues can usually be fixed by having the latest codecs installed, I like to use the k-lite codec packs.

care to post a torrent link to it?

Yes. A Torrent link to a DVD iso would be great. As long as the Church doesn't mind you distributing. I have 10Mb upload rate and could seed for a few weeks straight.

marcporter wrote:I like to use the k-lite codec packs.

Are those free? Where do I find them? I used whatever my computer had or came with DVD Flick.

For this particular video, an ISO file would be great! Not too many other videos would be like that. Just ones that are most likely to be used in their entirety.

RussellHltn wrote:Are those free? Where do I find them?

Yes they are free, they can be found at http://www.codecguide.com/download_kl.htm

chadtew wrote:Yes. A Torrent link to a DVD iso would be great. As long as the Church doesn't mind you distributing..

I don't mind posting a link, just want some reassurance first that this would be an acceptable thing to do, since it is copyrighted.

or you could use a password protected file hosting service or something? Password distributed via PM.

marcporter wrote:I don't mind posting a link, just want some reassurance first that this would be an acceptable thing to do, since it is copyrighted.

In general, you should not be posting copyrighted material on your own site. For permission, contact the Intellectual Property Office.

RussellHltn wrote:For this particular video, an ISO file would be great! Not too many other videos would be like that. Just ones that are most likely to be used in their entirety.

A few years ago, in a very short thread in these forums, the idea of the church making some broadcasts available as ISO file downloads to key individuals was discussed. One of the points I made then was:

When you consider how many AV specialists and technology specialists throughout the church are recording the various broadcasts to tape or disk and making copies for meetinghouse libraries, there is a huge duplication of effort going on.

I know that we can download conference sessions or individual talks and then use DVD authoring software to create disk images for burning. But if the authoring process was done once by HQ and the ISO image file or files were made available for download as suggested by rrhintze, the combined time savings across the church would be tremendous.

At the time, I remember being surprised at the lack of response from anyone else on the subject. But our numbers were much smaller back then.

Encrypted broadcasts, in particular, are problematic for us. Our satellite receiver sometimes has problems getting authorized or staying authorized. When this happens, we get a black screen with the text "Not Authorized". Sometimes it recovers quickly, other times not.

In advance of this last broadcast, I programmed our DVR to record the first two broadcasts (one English and the other Spanish) of the training. Remembering that the training went overtime the last time, I even added extra recording time. On Friday evening I went to the church to copy the recordings to DVD and found that the receiver had never gotten authorized and my recordings were useless. I called Satellite Support and we eventually power cycled the receiver to get it to work. By then, the third broadcast had already begun. So it wasn't until Saturday morning that I was able scan two new recordings to make sure that I didn't have any gaps in the recordings and copy them to DVD. Had there been any problems with these recordings, I only had one more shot at getting them recorded before our scheduled meeting to view them. That was cutting it too close for me. Next time, I'll connect a second recording device and record the English and Spanish channels at the same time.

If we were given the option to download a disc image file of such broadcasts, much time would be saved and stress avoided over the current distribution method. Such downloads could be made available through a portal only available to, say, the Stake Presidency and STS.

danpass wrote:At the time, I remember being surprised at the lack of response from anyone else on the subject.

I think it depends in part on what broadcast we're talking about. This training broadcast is long and would usually be shown in it's entirety. I would think that General Conference would be shown by talk (at least once a week has past), and having to download a entire DVD to get one talk would not be efficient. So, for me, some ISO images are more useful than others.

danpass wrote:Encrypted broadcasts, in particular, are problematic for us. Our satellite receiver sometimes has problems getting authorized or staying authorized. When this happens, we get a black screen with the text "Not Authorized". Sometimes it recovers quickly, other times not.

How is the reception? Do you get "glitches" where you lose signal for short periods of time? I'm thinking it may be a reception issue.

aebrown wrote:In general, you should not be posting copyrighted material on your own site. For permission, contact the Intellectual Property Office.

I sent off an email to the Intellectual Property Office, I'll post an update when I get a response.

That had to be the quickest reply I have ever received on such a request. Here is there reply.

Dear Marc,
Thank you for your request to duplicate Satellite broadcast and make it available on LDS Tech Forum. Permission from such use is not allowed. We do not allow for broadcast to be made available except as we have made it available.
Thank you,
Intellectual Property Division
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

RussellHltn wrote:I think it depends in part on what broadcast we're talking about. This training broadcast is long and would usually be shown in it's entirety. I would think that General Conference would be shown by talk (at least once a week has past), and having to download a entire DVD to get one talk would not be efficient. So, for me, some ISO images are more useful than others.

Agreed. Today, I don't see the need for ISO images of General Conference. But in ancient times, when I made that comment, I was still recording conference broadcasts and burning discs for the library of each meetinghouse in the stake.

RussellHltn wrote:How is the reception? Do you get "glitches" where you lose signal for short periods of time? I'm thinking it may be a reception issue.

The reception is always perfect when the feed is not encrypted. But in the last couple of years, we have only made it through one or two General Priesthood sessions without this problem occurring. The FM group is on it and hopefully it will get resolved in the next 6 weeks.

danpass wrote:Today, I don't see the need for ISO images of General Conference. But in ancient times, when I made that comment, I was still recording conference broadcasts and burning discs for the library of each meetinghouse in the stake.

I would still find it helpful to have ISO images of General Conference. We still record all of the sessions and I am amazed how many people still borrow them from the library. I suspect they are mostly borrowed by those who don't have or don't use the internet. We also have a large spanish speaking population who borrow the Spanish copies.

marcporter wrote:I would still find it helpful to have ISO images of General Conference. We still record all of the sessions and I am amazed how many people still borrow them from the library. I suspect they are mostly borrowed by those who don't have or don't use the internet. We also have a large spanish speaking population who borrow the Spanish copies.

Although I would agree that having an easier way of obtaining the broadcasts would be helpful, in regards to General Conference our stake has been ordering DVD copies of the conference from the Church Store (store.lds.org). The price is VERY reasonable and one major benefit is that they're index so it's easy to find what session or talk you are looking for.

techgy wrote:one major benefit is that they're index so it's easy to find what session or talk you are looking for.

Unless I'm mistaken, an ISO file can include that plus various captioning options - things we can't do with other download formats.

The way I see it, its simple. I know someone will see it different though.

1. The video is available for streaming to anyone, member or not. Anyone can save the stream given the time and know how.

2. This video in particular (worldwide leadership) will be put on DVD and sold. ISO already created.

Make the video available for download not stream only.

Thanks for your consideration.

chadtew wrote:Make the video available for download not stream only.

I asked the Intellectual Property Department if the would pass on this request to the correct department, apparently they weren't the correct department. It never hurts to ask right?

Well, I managed to grab an mp4 version of it - albeit optimised for mobile devices. Some trick using safari on a mac - with flash disabled and then the brightcove server sends an html5 version instead - which I grabbed. Even though the picture quality won't be all that once projected - I think it'll do.

. This video in particular (worldwide leadership) will be put on DVD and sold. ISO already created.

I called the Distribution Center today and was informed that they will no longer be making DVD's of the WWLT available and that the only way to access it is through the internet.

We have a general authority coming to our stake conference next weekend and he's asked that our stake president use a clip from the latest WWLT in his address. I'm not worried though, because I know that the internet is such a foolproof, reliable tool that never ever fails when you most need it to work.