NBEMS - Amateur Radio program

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#1
Have you ever heard of NBEMS ( Narrow Band Emergency Messaging System) ? It's a set of programs used to send messages and files via Amateur Radio using an audio interface.

I read about this in the August 2009 issue of QST. Rather interesting and best of all FREE!

Software at: http://www.w1hkj.com/NBEMS/

More info at ARRL: http://www.arrl.org/?artid=7933

It appears this could make a lot of tasks easier and faster.

Anyone have any experience with this?
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#2
Interesting.

I have mixed feelings about computer communication. While the benefits are great, the problem is power consumption. Not a problem if both ends are running a generator, but it's a bit much if you're stuck with battery-only. I suppose it could work to keep it off until notified or an agreed upon schedule.

Then there's the issue of complexity ....
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I think you'd find power consumption could/would be minimized. It's not a constant communication - only as needed. It would be a nice adjunct for long lists or many messages.

If done right, it would also lessen "on air" times and conserve power due to less transmitter time.

Since it's free, it's easy to play around with!
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#4
avskip wrote:I think you'd find power consumption could/would be minimized. It's not a constant communication - only as needed. It would be a nice adjunct for long lists or many messages.
I'm more concerned about the power needed to keep the computer running listening for messages. I think if you'll check, you'll see a laptop will take more power then the receiver it's connected to. Yes, you could bring it up only as needed, but how would you know when to bring it up?

Not an insurmountable hurtle, but one that needs to be worked out.
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#5
I don't think the power involved is its big selling point, rather the ability to run a digital mode without anything except a ham radio and a PC with a speaker and mic. Place the PC's mic next to the radio for RX, and hold the radio's mic next to the PC speaker for TX. No TNC. No sound card interface. No ground loops. You could even do it with an HT if the destination was within reach. In fact, most FM repeaters will pass the digital traffic without problems. That's where this mode has the ability to shine.

I've grown to appreciate digital modes more and more. The ability to move large chunks of data (or images) that would normally take an eternity on already crowded voice channels can be a real asset during an emergency.
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Is this program used by any lds emergency networks. I don't think the technical or power consumption requirements would be prohibitive, but communications networks in an emergency are much more useful if there are more people listening, and rolling out such programs across an extended network would be difficult, especially as the situation that necessitated emergency communications would also make it impossible to download any new software. It could be useful as a second line network for more detailed communications down the track. But in a first response communication, I think the most urgent details would be better communicated over a simpler voice only transmission to avoid missing a respondant might not have the right program or equipment.

On a tangent, is there a website that details some or all of the church amateur radio emergency communication networks out there? I know vaguely of a couple on different bandwidths that communicate regularly at pre-arranged times. But I don't know where to go to search for the details, or if any other networks are available. Are there any official church networks, or are these all private endeavours?
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#7

NBEMS (FLdigi) & Google Earth Ward Maps, How to use

Dear Fellow LDS Church Emergency Communicators,

RE: NBEMS (FLdigi) & Google Earth Ward Maps

I am Bill Stewman, W5RQR
Suwanee Ward Emergency Communications Specialist, Sugar Hill GA Stake
I am also a Ham Operator at the Atlanta (Tucker, GA) Bishop's Central Storehouse
on Tuesday's at 9:00 PM EDST on USB 14.244 MHz.

I do have a little real-world experience with W1KHJ's NBEMS (aka FLdigi & Wrap) and
am very impressed with its ease of use -- NO TNC is required --
only acoustical coupling between Microphones & Speakers on Radios and Computers.
(Use MT63-2000 mode and ignore most of the other parameters -- just use the defaults.)

I have "sent" my whole Ward Roster of 122 Family's names, phone, address,
Member Names, email, Area, Status, etc. in about 19 minutes.
(In a real emergency, to save time and be more secure,
we will send ONLY the Family Name and Status Letters, which takes only 2 Minutes to send.)
(Status: Red=Bad Problem, Yellow=Minor Problem, Green=No Problem, White=DoNotKnow Yet.)

This has been done with a lot of outside noise at the receiving and sending
locations with no disruption of the message.
{{ Bonus: The computer technology ALSO works between computers via:
Family Radio Service (FRS), Cell Phones, and inside a room. }}

The method I use to create Google Earth maps of the Ward is to:
download our Ward Roster CSV file from our Ward Website in SLC HQ,
(All Families are grouped into 14 geographical "AREAS" {named A-N} of between 5 and 15 each, with an Area Captain or Coordinator.)
prepare a geocoded file using www.BatchGeoCode.com,
copy the geocoded KML file into Google Earth, and
display the annotated map on a PC.
Any columns you add to the CSV file can appear on the map like White Magic, when you click on a symbol!

I have not done it yet, but expect to be able to send the annotated KMLs over NBMS, to Ward & Stake Leaders.

With proper and significant coordination between Wards,
Stake Leaders could see a composite,
annotated Map showing the color-coded Status of ALL Stake Members at one time.

Also, Photos over the air is a near term goal, like EcomSCS does.

See:
QST August 2009 NBEMS page 73
CQ April 2009 EcomSCS page 20,
www.HallCountyARES.com for Downloads & instructive notes re: NBEMS

If you want to know more about what I have done and how you can emulate it,
OR you can show me better ways,
contact me here on "LDS Tech" or email at W5RQR@arrl.net with subject "LDS NBEMS..."

73 Bill / Gist Stewman W5RQR

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#8
Bill.Stewman wrote:prepare a geocoded file using www.BatchGeoCode.com,

Just the usual caveat about using the batchgeocode.com site to plot locations. It generally works, but it obscures known errors in the geocoded results. So some homes may be plotted in the wrong place.

My understanding is that, of all the potential uses of mapping in a ward or stake, emergency preparedness has the greatest need for accuracy. Geocoded results from that web site, for example, would not be considered trustworthy for emergency-dispatch applications.
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#9

NBEMS & a GeoCoder Program Better than BatchGeoCode is Needed

Thanks for the warning, but most of the geocoding seems OK.
What are the better options to place each home more accurately?
Thanks for all you do.

Bill Stewman
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#10

LDS Ham Nets - Not one Website, but some details here.

jltware wrote:Is this program used by any lds emergency networks. I don't think the technical or power consumption requirements would be prohibitive, but communications networks in an emergency are much more useful if there are more people listening, and rolling out such programs across an extended network would be difficult, especially as the situation that necessitated emergency communications would also make it impossible to download any new software. It could be useful as a second line network for more detailed communications down the track. But in a first response communication, I think the most urgent details would be better communicated over a simpler voice only transmission to avoid missing a respondant might not have the right program or equipment.

On a tangent, is there a website that details some or all of the church amateur radio emergency communication networks out there? I know vaguely of a couple on different bandwidths that communicate regularly at pre-arranged times. But I don't know where to go to search for the details, or if any other networks are available. Are there any official church networks, or are these all private endeavours?

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FYI...

There is a MARA LSB Net on Saturday's 8:30 AM EDST on 3.8725 MHz followed immediately on 7.2830 MHz.

There is a little activity on EchoLink
*ERC-ECS* and *LDSHAMS*

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Here is the list of LDS HQ Nets on 20-M and 40-M bands controlled from SLC each Tuesday PM.

20 M 14244.00 MHZ 0100 UTC
40 M 7280.00 0200
VoIP Ch 9259 0230
80 M 3878.00 0300
40M CW 7117.00 0145
20M 3PM 14244.00 2100
80M CW 3573.00 0245

Lon W7WES, KA7CNM Brent

Bob Craven, N7GTE, ERC HQ Net Manager.
FAX 801-298-8181 EMAIL n7gte@yahoo.com
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#11
Bill.Stewman wrote:Thanks for the warning, but most of the geocoding seems OK.

I fully expect that "most" of the geocoding performed by that web site is okay. The problem is that for applications such as emergency preparedness, "most" is not nearly good enough.

Would the stake president want to send a team to rescue the Jones family, trapped on their roof by a flood, directing the team to a location that was a couple of miles from where the Jones house really is? The time to resolve the geocoding errors is long before the flood hits. That's why it's called "preparedness."
Bill.Stewman wrote:What are the better options to place each home more accurately?

One option may be to wait for the Church's own geocoding/mapping application, now reported to be in beta. It apparently will include a step for correction of geocoding errors and capturing the corrected data in the Church's databases. (The contours of that geocoding tool remain to be disclosed outside of the beta.)

Meanwhile, I don't know of a general batch-geocoding solution that is free, accurate and comprehensive. And I have looked hard. Getting most results and making maps is pretty easy. Getting fully accurate results is what is hard. (In my ward, we are lucky enough to have good public-domain geocoded data from the city. With some custom programming, we are able to geocode almost all addresses precisely and automatically, then manually resolve those that fail the quality threshhold. A few households with fundamentally invalid addresses will not be geocoded at all.)

The particular problem with batchgeocode.com is that it disards known errors and warnings it receives from its own source, the Yahoo geocoding API, when addresses are processed one at a time. So, for example, a street address may not be located, but Yahoo plots the Zip-code centroid instead. Or the street number may not be located, so Yahoo plots the center of the whole street, which might be several miles long. Or the street is listed in the ward database as "Wyoming Ave" even though there is no such street. Yahoo guesses that it really is "Wyoming Blvd," which is probably a good guess but may not be. Yahoo flags these as warnings in a way that a program can discern, but batchgeocode.com discards the accuracy detail without notifying the user at all.

The magnitude of this problem will vary with many factors, including how clean the addresses are in the ward directory. In many -- most? -- wards, the quality of that address data is not very good.

Similar problems can occur with other geocoding engines. Geocoding is inherently error-prone, and no batch process can be accurate unless it provides for detection and manual correction of errors -- both errors of omission and of commission.

You might look at HPaulsen's mapping program. One thing it does under the hood -- it is using Google's geocoding API -- is to check the quality code Google returns with each geocoding transaction, and exclude those addresses that fail to meet a threshold of reasonable certainty. The user then can attempt to plot these addresses manually. That application does not export KML files, but theoretically it could be enhanced to do so. (Whether Google would allow that under its Terms of Use is another matter. I'm not sure of the answer.)

Other solutions might include commercial geocoding service bureaus.
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#12
avskip wrote:Have you ever heard of NBEMS ( Narrow Band Emergency Messaging System) ? It's a set of programs used to send messages and files via Amateur Radio using an audio interface.
Look to me like a solution in desperate need of a problem.

The same job is already well-handled by popular, reliable commo modes which have a good track record (PKT was used in live disaster ops in 1986), and anyone who can't figure out how to hook up a radio-PC interface won't have much trouble finding someone who can.

The risk is to divide the available resources too far. The job of disaster communications is to COMMUNICATE, and anything which can (at best) only provide an incremental improvement isn't worth making the change.
#13
Bill.Stewman wrote:VoIP - Ch 9259 - 0230

Any one know if this net is still going on? Just found it. Will have to fire up Echolink on Tuesday and check out *ERC-ECC*.
Thanks,

Michael H. Cox
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#14
I think it is, but I'm pretty sure that node is IRLP, not echolink. 9259 is channel 9 on the Western Reflector, which is one I have seen used quite often before. Not sure if that node number will do you any good on echolink, as the two networks aren't crosslinked (though there are repeaters and nodes out there capable of accessing either, just not both at the same time).
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#15
jltware wrote:Not sure if that node number will do you any good on echolink, as the two networks aren't crosslinked (though there are repeaters and nodes out there capable of accessing either, just not both at the same time).
While that's usually the case between Echolink and IRLP, it turns out that IRLP 9259 and Echo link Conference *ERC-ECS* (328327) have a special full-time link between them, so you can use either system when joining the above mentioned net. I have a commitment on Tues evening or I would check in more often myself.
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#16
Really?? Very interesting. I was completely unaware that such links existed. (In fact, I thought they were a violation of IRLP's terms and conditions). Do you know is it common for such crosslinks to exist? Is there any way to look up if such links exist on other reflectors? I found info on that link once I knew what to look for, but wouldn't know what to search for when looking for others. Wow, you really do learn something new everyday. Thanks for the heads up :).
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This is the only full-time link between the two systems that I'm aware of.
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#18

NBEMS - Amateur Radio Program

I have been using the NBEMS as part of the fldigi software and have enjoyed using it.
I conduct a digital net on 3.581 USB each Saturday 7:00PDT (1400utc). The call sign is under W7MNW. I would like to invite participants we are all in a learning phase of one degree or another. We have a small number of participants.

I use FLDIGI and have it set up for RSID which sends out a id carrier that will switch your software to the proper mode if it is set up for both RX / TX. If you would like to experiment with mode contact : kc7fyd@q.com; It is a quick way of getting reports out of the stake to the local BSH. If you have tried to send out a report using voice sometimes things do not come through as intended. Using Digital it will also allow you to have a hard copy that is transmitted in a shorter time. In our area we experimenting with the use of the digital modes for communication improvement on passing reports.