Baptism / confirmation consent form?

When entering baptism / confirmation of a child, LCR now requires you to upload a signature consent form. However I can't find where to download this form?

Why do we even need a consent form when the father performed the ordinances?

Is the Church going to provide a networked scanner for this purpose?

Looking at Handbook 1 16.3.6, I could see where it might be required in some cases, even if it's the father doing the baptising. Especially if there's a divorce involved. Undoubtedly, this requirement had more to do with past legal cases than any doctrine.

The same thing happened to me just now when I created a membership record for a newborn baby.

The member or legal guardian must first sign the Child Record Form and upload it to create their record.
Child Record Form

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OK I found the links to the blank forms:

[Membership] --> [Create Record]

I did not think to look there because the child already had a record.

Hopefully in the future the filled in form can be printed.

I'm curious to know how the rest of you are accomplishing this. I suppose we could use a scanner app on our phones to take a picture of the signed form and upload it, but I worry about privacy concerns. Seems we'd be running the risk of having people's personal information in our photo albums in the event we forget to delete the picture.

I just hit my first one of these today, entering a child of record baptism from yesterday. Both parents are active members and there are no prior divorces that I'm aware of so it seems a re-implementation of the requirement that existed when we had to mail the forms to SLC to get the records created. I would have appreciated a notification of the change before I was in the middle of it, but that is the nature of our world these days I suppose. Before I had a device that could do this, I would scan them from the library copier on the other side of the building and sneaker-net them to the clerk computer with a thumb drive.

This time, I printed the form and took it to the father to sign. Then I tried to use Office Lens to get the document, but it had difficulty not cropping off part of the form. I finally just took a pic with my device and emailed it to myself on gmail so I could get to it on the clerk computer and uploaded it from there. Sometimes that causes problems for me with the text being legible, but it was OK this time (a little fuzzy, but readable). Then I deleted all the pics and emails.

davesudweeks wrote:Then I tried to use Office Lens to get the document, but it had difficulty not cropping off part of the form.

You might try to make sure the background contrasts with the paper. Also, make sure you're far enough away. Lens needs to see all 4 edges of the document.

russellhltn wrote:

davesudweeks wrote:Then I tried to use Office Lens to get the document, but it had difficulty not cropping off part of the form.

You might try to make sure the background contrasts with the paper. Also, make sure you're far enough away. Lens needs to see all 4 edges of the document.

Thanks for the tips. I was far enough away that Lens could see all 4 edges (at least they were showing on the screen) and lens put the crop lines in random locations that had no reference to the page (it cut off several lines of text at the bottom of the form and the father's signature).

Yeah, I seen Lens act squirrely in drawing the lines, but when I push the trigger, it usually works out.

Having trouble completing baptism information. Trying to upload signed consent form with no luck. Any suggestions?

If you get to the page where the form needs to be attached, there is an icon to open a pdf of the form to print, and it includes all the information entered up to that point.

RayWach wrote:Having trouble completing baptism information. Trying to upload signed consent form with no luck. Any suggestions?

Drag and drop here did not work for me. Nothing happened. However if you click on the from device link and 'drill down' to wherever your image is stored and click on the filename..... That does work.

mbatemantx wrote:If you get to the page where the form needs to be attached, there is an icon to open a pdf of the form to print, and it includes all the information entered up to that point.

I saw a link after the person is chosen but before any other info is entered. Did not see another link after that. So that would not be very helpful. I am looking for the form completely filled in except for the signatures.

Oh, good. So this is a new thing? Because we were really stumped by it. It took us a while to figure out that the form was required and that I needed to get the mother to sign it. I just took a photo of the signed form with my phone and uploaded it through my phone. Annoying as heck that I have to use my personal phone to do this, but, whatever.

Mottzzz wrote:Oh, good. So this is a new thing? Because we were really stumped by it. It took us a while to figure out that the form was required and that I needed to get the mother to sign it. I just took a photo of the signed form with my phone and uploaded it through my phone. Annoying as heck that I have to use my personal phone to do this, but, whatever.

It is new. I just went through this as well. It's going to take some training to get the bishopric to get used to a paper form again. Ditto for baby blessings!

Mottzzz wrote:Oh, good. So this is a new thing? Because we were really stumped by it. It took us a while to figure out that the form was required and that I needed to get the mother to sign it. I just took a photo of the signed form with my phone and uploaded it through my phone. Annoying as heck that I have to use my personal phone to do this, but, whatever.

I wouldn't say that the requirement to have a signed form on file is new. We have always had that requirement. The only thing new is the ability/requirement to scan and upload the signed form. I think many clerks/bishoprics have simply ignored the forms, or fail to retain the signed forms in their files until the next membership audit, as directed on the forms.

I have been telling clerks and bishoprics for many years that the forms should be printed and filled out before any ordinance is performed. When the ordinance is performed, just enter the date and officiator, enter the data into the computer, and file the form for the audit. So simple, and yet frequently ignored.

I think where people are being thrown off is the use of the word "consent." But then you go and print the form out and the word "consent" doesn't show up anywhere and it's just a standard ordinance form. So we were totally stuck wondering "Why do we need a consent form when the parents clearly are members and want their 8-year-old baptized?"

I didn't realize the form could be printed out before ordinance. I'll look into that.

Is there a way to fill out a PDF form for every youth that will need one in the upcoming year, print it out and then have family sign it in advance? Or do you have to wait until the ordinance, etc. is due?

ichabod6 wrote:Is there a way to fill out a PDF form for every youth that will need one in the upcoming year, print it out and then have family sign it in advance? Or do you have to wait until the ordinance, etc. is due?

You can start with blank forms if you wish, I believe. The bishop is supposed to sign the baptismal form as well at the time of interview.

For baby blessing forms, there really isn't a tie between the record creation and the blessing. You could create the record and get parent signatures before a blessing.

chriswoodut wrote:For baby blessing forms, there really isn't a tie between the record creation and the blessing. You could create the record and get parent signatures before a blessing.

Isn't the consent form consent for creating the record?

russellhltn wrote:

chriswoodut wrote:For baby blessing forms, there really isn't a tie between the record creation and the blessing. You could create the record and get parent signatures before a blessing.

Isn't the consent form consent for creating the record?

Yes, there's a child of record form used for children under 8 and then the baptismal form for recording the ordinance.

I'm just saying you can do the child of record form before a blessing or without a blessing. A child blessing isn't an ordinance and isn't required. It isn't recorded in LCR and it isn't tracked.

russellhltn wrote:

chriswoodut wrote:For baby blessing forms, there really isn't a tie between the record creation and the blessing. You could create the record and get parent signatures before a blessing.

Isn't the consent form consent for creating the record?

Correct!

We cannot find the baptism/confirmation consent form! Is there a place to print it out?? Please send link to PDF!!!

lph1963 wrote:We cannot find the baptism/confirmation consent form! Is there a place to print it out?? Please send link to PDF!!!

For a child of record go to LCR > Membership > Ordinances > Baptism and Confirmation. Then click the Blank Baptism Record Form link at the bottom of the page.

For those without a member record go to LCR > Membership > Create Record. Then click the appropriate Blank Create Record Form near the bottom of the page.

How is the member or legal guardian supposed to upload the signed form to LCR?

drepouille wrote:The member or legal guardian must first sign the Child Record Form and upload it to create their record.
Child Record Form

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drepouille wrote:How is the member or legal guardian supposed to upload the signed form to LCR?

drepouille wrote:The member or legal guardian must first sign the Child Record Form and upload it to create their record.
Child Record Form

Drop Form Here
or
Choose from Your Device

The clerk has to be the one to upload it. Have them email a copy to you. Even a clean cell phone photo should work. That sentence must just be poorly worded.

I have problems uploading it. As soon as I chose the .jpg file it kicks me out of the ordinance report page. Anyone having the same problem and how to fix it?

TiefenbachMB wrote:I have problems uploading it. As soon as I chose the .jpg file it kicks me out of the ordinance report page. Anyone having the same problem and how to fix it?

I would wait and try again tomorrow. There's a lot of bugs with the system that seem to go away just by waiting and trying again later.

I will note I saw one instance where the system did not like a PDF I was trying to use for a signature card. After weeks of randomly trying to upload it, I converted it to a JPG and it uploaded without trouble.

Why does the church not have a link with the baptism consent form right in the section where we are entering the info into the clerk and leaders website?
So... I take it we have to email a full baptism ordinance form and have the dad complete it and then scan or take a picture of it on their phone and send it back?

The need to make it simple... Just make a quick consent form that says I permit my child to be baptized or blessed with name, date and signature of approval and be done with it.

Check the copier in the Materials Center or Family History Center. Ours has scanning capability to a USB drive. Documents scanned to a USB drive can be uploaded to the Ward Computer.

Bmiller1830 wrote:Why does the church not have a link with the baptism consent form right in the section where we are entering the info into the clerk and leaders website?
So... I take it we have to email a full baptism ordinance form and have the dad complete it and then scan or take a picture of it on their phone and send it back?

The need to make it simple... Just make a quick consent form that says I permit my child to be baptized or blessed with name, date and signature of approval and be done with it.

I'm not following... how is a quick consent form as you describe different in function than the form the system uses now? I pre-populate most of the form that I can in advance.

I try to get the counselor that is attending the baptism to be responsible for getting the form back (either electronically or paper). That doesn't always happen, but it does simplify the process if he does it because he is at the baptism. That requires I get him the form in advance of the baptism.