Deacons Quorum Membership Visibility for Advisors

Is there a reason why the deacons quorum advisor can’t see the list of deacons through LDS Tools? I understand the privacy concerns especially for youth but it seems like the youth advisors should atleast see the members of their specific group as part of their calling.

A shot in the dark: Are you sure the advisor's calling is a "standard calling" rather than a custom calling?

I'm not sure how it works for leaders, but normal members can't see any members in LDS Tools under the organizational section - just the callings.

I checked and it's a standard calling for Deacons Quorum Advisor. I should add I'm the ward clerk and can see all the organizations/members and trying to help the advisor understand why he can't see his quorum members. My wife is a Laurel advisor and she can't see the list of members for Young women Laurels either.

Does it sound like an issue with permissions/visibility and if so, why would it restrict a leader from seeing the members within their specific group?

allibri425 wrote:Does it sound like an issue with permissions/visibility and if so, why would it restrict a leader from seeing the members within their specific group?

It does, and I do not know. I think the best you can do is to send feedback and ask the question. Another way is to ask your priesthood leaders to elevate the request through priesthood channels.

Just for my own understanding, does LDS Tools allow leaders to see members by organization like how the Directory on lds.org does?

russellhltn wrote:Just for my own understanding, does LDS Tools allow leaders to see members by organization like how the Directory on lds.org does?

Yes, under Organizations in the Tools app, a leader with rights can see both callings in the selected organization, and members of the organization.

Is this true that there is not a way for Aaronic Priesthood Quorrum Advisors to see a list of their quorrum. My wife is the Primary Secretary and I am Deacons Quorrum Advisor and I have to borrow her phone to see a list of my Deacons. With technology the way it is this is crazy this is not an option for advisors to see their quorrum they are advising.

brettllewis wrote:Is this true that there is not a way for Aaronic Priesthood Quorrum Advisors to see a list of their quorrum. My wife is the Primary Secretary and I am Deacons Quorrum Advisor and I have to borrow her phone to see a list of my Deacons. With technology the way it is this is crazy this is not an option for advisors to see their quorrum they are advising.

I don't know the full reasoning, but I think the idea is that the advisors are supposed to advise the quorum presidency, not the quorum as a whole – similar to a stake organization leader, whose assignment is to advise/assist the ward organization leaders, without having direct responsibility for the members themselves.

This has caused a lot of problems for my wife also. She is a YW advisor and can't see her class. She'd like to be able to see birthdays etc to help interact with the girls.

dsesplin wrote:This has caused a lot of problems for my wife also. She is a YW advisor and can't see her class. She'd like to be able to see birthdays etc to help interact with the girls.

Yes! Same for an advisor in a quorum. That would be amazing! But for now all I want is a list of who is in the quorum I am advising. As it stands right now if someone moves in or something that is a less active. I have no way of knowing (neither does my presidency) without asking for an updated list from my clerk every week.

Has anyone found a solution to this yet? I'm also ward clerk and was asked the same question by our Deacon Quorum Adviser today. He was previously the YM president before the changes and could see all the members of YM in LDS Tools. But since the re-organisation and now he's set to DQA, he can't see any members. Surely this is just an oversight with the permissions and could be easily updated?

This is a bigger problem now with no YM presidency. Hopefully advisors will be able to get class/quorum rosters soon. Is there somewhere to request this be reviewed?

Maybe the new communications app will help alleviate this as well. . .?

jjmandeville wrote:Is there somewhere to request this be reviewed?

Since the access permissions is a policy issue the official channel to get the concern reviewed is to convince your stake president to pass it up through the priesthood chain.

jjmandeville wrote:This is a bigger problem now with no YM presidency.

There is a YM presidency (now called "Presidency of the Aaronic Priestood"). It is the bishop and his two counselors.

The "Access Table" in LCR does not show anything for Advisors, so they definitely have been explicitly left out of Leader access. So anyone wanting to change this, first step might be to click the "Feedback" button at the bottom of the "Access Table" page.

Like others, I imagine the reasoning may be that an Advisor works in a support role of a Presidency member who has access to all that info. As the Church is encouraging Presidency members to be more actively engaged in things which they historically may have offloaded, they may view Presidency member access as sufficient.

Not saying Advisor access wouldn't be helpful, as pointed out it definitely is an inconvenience to not have that access.

This is a completely inefficient solution to supporting our YM and YW and advising them. Yes, it briefs well that our young men/women should and will lead out in their quorums. But we do still need adults to help advise and assist. Advisors not having the ability to view the actual membership of the quorums/classes they are to advise is not helpful at all. Who are we kidding?
I am a Bishop and this is quite frustrating. Sure, I am now the de-facto YM's president. That's a whole separate discussion.
The guidance earlier in this thread to "elevate this through priesthood channels" is also not helpful. I do not need to waste my stake president's time by asking him to "elevate" an issue with LDS tools. He has bigger and better things to worry about.

Why was it OK prior for YM presidency members to view the same, when we "in theory" also had quorum presidencies? Now, advisors cannot view the same?
We have this lds tech forum for a purpose.
To raise issues not requiring priesthood keys, etc... issues we can resolve or gain guidance on at our level.
those of you who are on the "inside" please do us a favor and elevate this accordingly and make the fix.
You have the means and better rapid access.
Please fix this.
thank you

colbyj wrote:Why was it OK prior for YM presidency members to view the same, when we "in theory" also had quorum presidencies? Now, advisors cannot view the same?

That was before, this is now. I'm suspecting there's been a change in the roles. Note that any legal issue supersedes "efficiency".

colbyj wrote:We have this lds tech forum for a purpose.

It's for user to user support.

colbyj wrote:those of you who are on the "inside" please do us a favor and elevate this accordingly and make the fix.

They are not the decision makers. The priesthood channels have stronger access.

thank you.
Sounds like I need to send a note to my stake president, who may then send a note to the area authority, and so forth?

colbyj wrote:Sounds like I need to send a note to my stake president, who may then send a note to the area authority, and so forth?

Correct.

I thought from the messages here that Advisers have been given some access in LCR (although probably not as much as they wanted). If they have access in LCR, then it's probably just a matter of time before Member Tools follows.

colbyj wrote:Advisors not having the ability to view the actual membership of the quorums/classes they are to advise is not helpful at all. Who are we kidding?

Have you actually had one of the advisers check? (Hint: I know the answer and the fact you're asking the question tells me that they haven't.)

scgallafent wrote:

colbyj wrote:Advisors not having the ability to view the actual membership of the quorums/classes they are to advise is not helpful at all. Who are we kidding?

Have you actually had one of the advisers check? (Hint: I know the answer and the fact you're asking the question tells me that they haven't.)

So not fair, when did this change? I now have access to LCR and can see all this data.

However, the online Directory and Maps still does not show it and still has the cute little note on the side saying to contact your secretary or clerk.
Also, Tools does not show it either.

In Tools I've chosen to create a LIST of all the boys, it's at least a list for now, but GREAT NEWS! about access to LCR.

I am Deacon’s quorum advisor. Since the start of the year I am unable to access a quorum member list on the Tools directory on my phone. I am able to access it when logged into the church’s website. Can you please fix this glitch in the Tools app directory for iOS phones? Thanks!

housleym wrote:I am Deacon’s quorum advisor. Since the start of the year I am unable to access a quorum member list on the Tools directory on my phone. I am able to access it when logged into the church’s website. Can you please fix this glitch in the Tools app directory for iOS phones? Thanks!

You have access in LCR. Other tools (Directory, Tools) have not been changed yet. I don't know the time frame for those changes.

The beta version of tools for Android returns the list of AP quorum members, and YW classes also

Is an iOS version in the works to fix this visibility issue as well?

This is an ongoing concern. Are there any plans to fix this? now without a YM Presidency the advisors have to go to the Bishopric to gain access to even see a list of quorum members. This is untenable to also require the printing of lists and such to rest on the Bishopric.

trorchard wrote:This is an ongoing concern. Are there any plans to fix this? now without a YM Presidency the advisors have to go to the Bishopric to gain access to even see a list of quorum members. This is untenable to also require the printing of lists and such to rest on the Bishopric.

According to a post from February 5,

scgallafent wrote:You have access in LCR. Other tools (Directory, Tools) have not been changed yet. I don't know the time frame for those changes.

In LCR, Reports -> Access Table says AP quorum advisors have access to Reports -> Member List, where you should be able to select Priests/Teachers/Deacons Quorum.

davesudweeks wrote:

jjmandeville wrote:This is a bigger problem now with no YM presidency.

There is a YM presidency (now called "Presidency of the Aaronic Priestood"). It is the bishop and his two counselors.

I am a second counselor in the bishopric and can’t see the list of quorum or class members any more either. It has been frustrating for me as well. I’m hoping they reverse this change and allow us access again.

benihana21 wrote:

davesudweeks wrote:

jjmandeville wrote:This is a bigger problem now with no YM presidency.

There is a YM presidency (now called "Presidency of the Aaronic Priestood"). It is the bishop and his two counselors.

I am a second counselor in the bishopric and can’t see the list of quorum or class members any more either. It has been frustrating for me as well. I’m hoping they reverse this change and allow us access again.

Where are you trying to see them? I am a counselor in the EQ presidency and can easily see a list of each of the quorum or class members in my ward. I am on the current version of member tools running Android 9. When I go to a quorum or class, it defaults to a list of the leader options to view. I have to tap on the "All Members" tab (on the right side of the menu bar) to see the quorum or class members.

I have no knowledge of how it works on iOS but I have read that the church tries to have feature parity between the different OS's, though getting to the same place may be a different path in each one (and features don't always roll out at the same time).

davesudweeks wrote:I am a counselor in the EQ presidency and can easily see a list of each of the quorum or class members in my ward.

Youth and children are subject to different and vastly more restrictive visibility rules.

lajackson wrote:

davesudweeks wrote:I am a counselor in the EQ presidency and can easily see a list of each of the quorum or class members in my ward.

Youth and children are subject to different and vastly more restrictive visibility rules.

Yes, I understand that, but I would be surprised if the 1st counselor in the EQ Presidency could see more information related to children and youth than a counselor in the bishopric could (which was the question I was answering). The question was posed by a bishopric counselor who said he could not see youth quorum and class lists.

Of course, my other calling as Temple and Family History Leader could give me access that I wouldn't get as a counselor in the EQ presidency, but I still would expect the bishopric should be able to see the lists of the youth.

davesudweeks wrote:Yes, I understand that, but I would be surprised if the 1st counselor in the EQ Presidency could see more information related to children and youth than a counselor in the bishopric could (which was the question I was answering). The question was posed by a bishopric counselor who said he could not see youth quorum and class lists.

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For what it might be worth, a quick check in LCR -> Other -> Access Table shows that Ward Bishopric Counselors have every access that the Elders Quorum Presidency has (plus a lot more). More specifically, both have access to Membership Information -> Edit Member Class Assignments and Forms -> Attendance Rolls.