LCR 4.4.10 release notes

Leader and Clerk Resources (LCR) Release Notes
Release 4.4.10
Date Released: December 20, 2018

New or Enhanced Functionality

Updated LCR to support the age-group progression changes that were announced by the First Presidency on December 14, 2018. On January 1, 2019:

• Aaronic Priesthood ordinations can be recorded based on the new age guidelines.
• Limited-use temple recommends can be issued for young women and ordained young men who will turn 12 during the year.
• Youth will be assigned to Sunday School classes, Young Women classes, and Aaronic Priesthood quorums based on the new guidelines. These guidelines direct that children and youth are assigned to a class or quorum based upon the year they turn a certain age. The Valiant 11 Primary class will be discontinued, and the Course 11 Sunday School class will be available.
• Leaders can record ministering assignments for 13-year-old youth in Mia Maid classes and teachers quorums.
• For more information, see childrenandyouth.lds.org.

Updated the ward and branch version of the Officers Sustained form:

• During ward conference, all members with callings listed on the form are now sustained in sacrament meeting.
• Removed instructions to sustain certain callings in quorums and classes during ward conference.
• Please note that outside of ward conference, leaders should continue to follow the instructions for sustaining members in Handbook 2: Administering the Church and the October 11, 2018, notice, “Sustaining Those Serving in Relief Society and Elders Quorum Callings.”
• Removed the assistant ward mission leader.
• Added the temple and family history leader.

Other changes:

• Added the ability for elders quorum and Relief Society leaders to print interview lists for each district of ministering brothers and ministering sisters.
• For units in the United States and Canada only, updated the patriarch recommendation link to go to the Boundary and Leadership Proposals site instead of providing a PDF application.
• Enhanced the Contact Us link so that it opens an incident with the Global Service Center instead of going to a Help Center article.
• Added a message reminding users that the Send a Message tool can be used only for Church purposes.

Issues Resolved

Fixed the following issues related to ministering:

• High councilors and stake Relief Society presidencies were unable to access relevant ministering reports.
• The past-day filter was not showing changes until the page was refreshed.
• A presidency member was not able to be assigned to a newly created district.

Additional bug fixes and performance improvements.

Great job! One more fix needed: Print Primary Advancement certificates for the whole year age group.

As I posted in the other thread, there are no current plans to change this.

Still disappointed that they have not given access to creating custom reports to membership clerks. I know there are "eccliastical" reasons for not allowing access in some areas, but i"m having trouble seeing that in this instance.

No problem, printed the ones that would have been eligible in January, used snipping tool to capture the pdf, put in PowerPoint, blocked out the old name, then printed the rest one at a time using Bold Georgia 24 point font for the name.... could be the last year to do these and give to youth for their scrap books of rememberence.... all dated 1 Jan 2019.

Of course, these aren't handed out from the pulpit anymore.

If the print Primary advancement stays on LCR with the same structure, will use the same PowerPount, snipping tool, Adobe reader temolate combo next year. Just sayin'... where there's a will, there's a way.

Is the Action and interview list > interviews tab supposed to show that all youth priesthood ordination interviews are to take place in January? I thought that was supposed to work.

It would be useful if the Executive Secretary had access to create a report, primarily for Temple and Missionary related reports that don’t exist elsewhere.

wrigjef wrote:It would be useful if the Executive Secretary had access to create a report, primarily for Temple and Missionary related reports that don’t exist elsewhere.

Our ward executive secretary has access to the "create a report" app. That is something that was changed a couple of months ago. Have you tried recently?
LCR | Reports | Create a Report

I do have access now. Thanks for the heads up

Did this update remove access to the family history report for Stake/Ward TFHC's?

Would be great if we could log the date of a ward recommend interview so the stake could determine how much time has lapsed and so the executive Secretary an keep track.

wrigjef wrote:Would be great if we could log the date of a ward recommend interview so the stake could determine how much time has lapsed and so the executive Secretary an keep track.

I have two thoughts about this.

A member of the stake presidency should be able to tell from the issue date of the recommend if the member has waited any significant length of time to schedule their second interview.

And the stake does not even know a recommend has been issued until the member calls for an appointment.

So I am not quite sure I understand what you are trying to measure here.

lajackson wrote:And the stake does not even know a recommend has been issued until the member calls for an appointment.

I suspect that's what he's wanting to change - give the Executive Secretary some tools to manage the flow of interviews to cut down those "last minute" gotta-gotta interviews.

Yes

I'd like to have a way to check and see who has had a ward interview but has not yet had a stake interview. Currently I have to keep my own spreadsheet to keep track of who needs to be reminded. We also occasionally have a stake presidency member show up at church and wants me to pull people who need stake interviews. It would be nice to have one place I can check rather than having to compare the Recommend Status Report on LCR to my own Ward fracker.

jokamura wrote:Did this update remove access to the family history report for Stake/Ward TFHC's?

I still have access to the Family History Activity Report on Leader and Clerk Resources, as a ward temple and family history consultant.

A few things to check if you can't access it:
– Make sure you're using the correct LDS Account, with your membership record number attached.
– Make sure you're going to the right page (Leader and Clerk Resources > Reports > Family History Activity Report).
– If you have multiple callings, make sure you choose the correct calling from the dropdown in the upper right, when you're on Leader and Clerk Resources.
– Are you a "lead" consultant, an "indexing" consultant, or a regular consultant? Are you still recorded in your calling (if you check on the LDS.org Directory, for example)?

I currently serve as a Stake TFHC-Indexing and as the Ward TFHC-Indexing. I just get the access denied error message whenever I try to get to LCR. It worked before, but I'll check with the stake and ward clerks to make sure it's still entered in correctly and all that good stuff. Thanks!

sbradshaw wrote:

jokamura wrote:Did this update remove access to the family history report for Stake/Ward TFHC's?

I still have access to the Family History Activity Report on Leader and Clerk Resources, as a ward temple and family history consultant.

A few things to check if you can't access it:
– Make sure you're using the correct LDS Account, with your membership record number attached.
– Make sure you're going to the right page (Leader and Clerk Resources > Reports > Family History Activity Report).
– If you have multiple callings, make sure you choose the correct calling from the dropdown in the upper right, when you're on Leader and Clerk Resources.
– Are you a "lead" consultant, an "indexing" consultant, or a regular consultant? Are you still recorded in your calling (if you check on the LDS.org Directory, for example)?

Based on the Oct 6th letter from SLC titled "Responsibilities of Elders Quorum and Relief Society Presidencies in Member Missionary and Temple and Family History Work", it was believed by many that there would be a new calling called "Ward Temple and Family History Leader". And this update mentions the fact that this calling was added to the "Officers Sustained" form. However, it was the "Ward Temple and Family History Consultant--Lead" that was added to this report. Are we to assume then, that the old "Ward Temple and Family History Consultant--Lead" calling is the same as the new "Ward Temple and Family History Leader" calling? The new "Ward Temple and Family History Leader" is only supposed to be held by a Melchizedek Priesthood holder, and the "Ward Temple and Family History Consultant--Lead" can be held by anyone. However, you can currently assign anyone to the old "Ward Temple and Family History Consultant--Lead" calling in the system, so I'm not certain that they are the same.

djfarstead wrote:Based on the Oct 6th letter from SLC titled "Responsibilities of Elders Quorum and Relief Society Presidencies in Member Missionary and Temple and Family History Work", it was believed by many that there would be a new calling called "Ward Temple and Family History Leader". And this update mentions the fact that this calling was added to the "Officers Sustained" form. However, it was the "Ward Temple and Family History Consultant--Lead" that was added to this report. Are we to assume then, that the old "Ward Temple and Family History Consultant--Lead" calling is the same as the new "Ward Temple and Family History Leader" calling? The new "Ward Temple and Family History Leader" is only supposed to be held by a Melchizedek Priesthood holder, and the "Ward Temple and Family History Consultant--Lead" can be held by anyone. However, you can currently assign anyone to the old "Ward Temple and Family History Consultant--Lead" calling in the system, so I'm not certain that they are the same.

Ward Temple and Family History Consultant--Lead is the same thing. I've got the information ready to make the change, but I'm waiting for final approval. Once I get that the name will change and the priesthood restriction will be added.

jonesrk wrote:Ward Temple and Family History Consultant--Lead is the same thing. I've got the information ready to make the change, but I'm waiting for final approval. Once I get that the name will change and the priesthood restriction will be added.

You behind-the-scenes folks are amazing. Thank you for all you do! And a special thank you for being patient with the rest of use who are often not as patient as we should be...

davesudweeks wrote: You behind-the-scenes folks are amazing. Thank you for all you do! And a special thank you for being patient with the rest of use who are often not as patient as we should be...

Thanks. Sometimes we have enough notice that we can be ready with the announcement other times we are scrambling to finish (or start) it up after the announcement and other times we're waiting for additional direction/go-ahead. It's a fun line to walk (or with President Nelson in charge - run ).

jonesrk wrote:other times we are scrambling to finish (or start) it up after the announcement

You missed a fun day at the office today working on Activity Days. You'll want to catch up on Monday.

I realize that most of you don't necessarily need to be involved in the personal banter between jonesrk and I (the two of us sit about 30 feet apart), but thought some of you might enjoy a tiny peek into the behind-the-scenes adventures that go on with changes like this.

jonesrk wrote:It's a fun line to walk (or with President Nelson in charge - run ).

I don't know how you keep up. In all your running around the office, try not to get hurt on any of those edge cases. That has to be as bad as banging a kneecap.

With this latest change, I have found great comfort in knowing that I am either some particular age, or that I will become some particular age in this coming year. And at least for me, it makes no difference which way you measure. I have been trying to ignore them all for a long time. [grin]

scgallafent wrote:I realize that most of you don't necessarily need to be involved in the personal banter between jonesrk and I (the two of us sit about 30 feet apart), but thought some of you might enjoy a tiny peek into the behind-the-scenes adventures that go on with changes like this.

I do enjoy it.

russellhltn wrote:

scgallafent wrote:I realize that most of you don't necessarily need to be involved in the personal banter between jonesrk and I (the two of us sit about 30 feet apart), but thought some of you might enjoy a tiny peek into the behind-the-scenes adventures that go on with changes like this.

I do enjoy it.

As do I.

Went in and performed my first 11yr old temple recommend interviews today and then wasn’t able to as it said they were not old enough. They all turn 12 during the year so something isn’t working it seems.

Any ideas?

chris_hazeldine wrote:Went in and performed my first 11yr old temple recommend interviews today and then wasn’t able to as it said they were not old enough. They all turn 12 during the year so something isn’t working it seems.

Any ideas?

I issued three recommends on Thursday, so it was working then. I expect to issue at least one tomorrow, so I'll use it again then.

If you can send me the details by private message, I'll check. We want it working tomorrow for sure!

Looks like a false alarm, went home and tried again later in the day and it worked fine. I still had the error on the screen of the MLS PC at the chapel and remoted into it to double check and was a big red "problem with the page data loaded" type message so must have been something internet related more than anything. I had just logged in so wasn't expecting anything like a time out type message.

Thanks and we now have 3x 11yr olds with recommends crazy times.

What I can’t do is Record a Primary Advancement for an 11yr old that isn’t having a birthday in the current month.

chris_hazeldine wrote:I still had the error on the screen of the MLS PC at the chapel and remoted into it to double check

I suggest you read the policy on remoting into computers in 4.10 of the Meetinghouse Technology Policy.

russellhltn wrote:

chris_hazeldine wrote:I still had the error on the screen of the MLS PC at the chapel and remoted into it to double check

I suggest you read the policy on remoting into computers in 4.10 of the Meetinghouse Technology Policy.

Thanks, all those points are covered by the Stake thx.

chris_hazeldine wrote:What I can’t do is Record a Primary Advancement for an 11yr old that isn’t having a birthday in the current month.

Tried this again and still can't get a Primary Completion certificate for those 11yr olds that are turning 12 later in the year.

chris_hazeldine wrote:Tried this again and still can't get a Primary Completion certificate for those 11yr olds that are turning 12 later in the year.

Correct. And as posted earlier, there are no current plans to change this.

jonesrk wrote:Ward Temple and Family History Consultant--Lead is the same thing. I've got the information ready to make the change, but I'm waiting for final approval. Once I get that the name will change and the priesthood restriction will be added.

I follow many LDS Family History discussion boards (yammer and facebook). And the majority of people there have been told by their Area Seventy that these are NOT the same calling. So when you say you are waiting for final approval, does that mean they haven't made the decision to go through with it or not?

djfarstead wrote:

jonesrk wrote:Ward Temple and Family History Consultant--Lead is the same thing. I've got the information ready to make the change, but I'm waiting for final approval. Once I get that the name will change and the priesthood restriction will be added.

I follow many LDS Family History discussion boards (yammer and facebook). And the majority of people there have been told by their Area Seventy that these are NOT the same calling. So when you say you are waiting for final approval, does that mean they haven't made the decision to go through with it or not?

The change just was done today (there may be a delay in seeing the update in LCR due to caching). The old position Ward Temple and Family History Consultant--Lead is now Ward Temple and Family History Leader and requires the person to be a Melchizedek Priesthood holder. Everyone that used to be in that position is now a Ward Temple and Family History Consultant.

When is the Church going to update LCR so that the Action and interview list aligns youth interviews for advancements in accordance with the new guidance. Is the bishop suppose to inview youth approaching advancement in January as well as their birthday month?

Jamesguy wrote:When is the Church going to update LCR so that the Action and interview list aligns youth interviews for advancements in accordance with the new guidance. Is the bishop suppose to inview youth approaching advancement in January as well as their birthday month?

The Action and Interview List will be updated "later." As far as I know, we have not received requirements for updating the report.

Until then, I would follow the instructions in the "Age-Group Progression for Children and Youth" attachment to the First Presidency letter dated December 14, 2018.

lajackson wrote:

chris_hazeldine wrote:Tried this again and still can't get a Primary Completion certificate for those 11yr olds that are turning 12 later in the year.

Correct. And as posted earlier, there are no current plans to change this.

Changed the DOB - printed certificate them put DOB back to the correct one all sorted and presented in Sacrament meeting

chris_hazeldine wrote:Changed the DOB - printed certificate them put DOB back to the correct one all sorted and presented in Sacrament meeting

I’m usually the first to say that clerks are just looking for an immediate way to resolve whatever issue is causing them pain at that moment. There are some stories I can tell about creative solutions that clerks have come up with to address some issue that was causing them pain.

Having said that, please don’t do things like this. Tweaking records to bypass business rules has the potential to cause problems. This case should be relatively benign (we’ll know for sure when we end up discussing it on Monday), but please don’t.

Also, please go back and read the answer to question 6 in the attachment to the First Presidency letter announcing these changes.

I am not the clerk - Bishop and something pretty simple as this change creates whole bunch of business rules that get held up trying to process advancements when the software doesn’t support the changes.

Appreciate your comments but needed a work around and that was it.

chris_hazeldine wrote:Appreciate your comments but needed a work around and that was it.

Perhaps you missed the part of Question and Answer #6 that said Primary graduation certificates are no longer presented in Sacrament Meeting?

It seems to me that the business rules support that, hard-wired traditions not withstanding.

Handbook 2 says:

The bishop and his counselors recognize each young man in sacrament meeting when he advances from Primary to the Aaronic Priesthood, when he is to be ordained to an office in the priesthood, and when he has completed the Duty to God

Hard to keep track of what is and isn’t supposed to be done. Recognise and give them the certificate seems still appropriate to me. But thanks for pointing out that maybe the handbooks are failing to keep up with the change even though I had a stake training last week where they said the online handbook is being updated as things change.

chris_hazeldine wrote:Hard to keep track of what is and isn’t supposed to be done.

Yes, it is. And you may very well be correct that they will adjust the code so that certificates may be printed once again in a timely manner.

Or not. I imagine the developers meet regularly to review these things and to receive instruction from the Brethren as the changes keep coming and coming. And I expect there will be even more challenges as the new program for children and youth rolls out at the end off this year.

scgallafent wrote:

Jamesguy wrote:When is the Church going to update LCR so that the Action and interview list aligns youth interviews for advancements in accordance with the new guidance. Is the bishop suppose to inview youth approaching advancement in January as well as their birthday month?

The Action and Interview List will be updated "later." As far as I know, we have not received requirements for updating the report.

Until then, I would follow the instructions in the "Age-Group Progression for Children and Youth" attachment to the First Presidency letter dated December 14, 2018.

IMO, this needs to be updated ASAP! My ward as 100+ youth. After advancement interviews based on the DEC 14, 2018 policy change and now LCR is telling us to do Semi- and Annual interviews, it would be helpful to have the system updated to help us track this, rather than have to create an original product.

Thank you!

Does the person called as the Temple and Family History Leader have to be a priesthood holder?

I’ve just experimented, in LCR, with a Sister and a Priesthood holder. The sister can’t, the brother can.

tacooper wrote:Does the person called as the Temple and Family History Leader have to be a priesthood holder?

Yes, from Handbook 2, 5.4.3:

Under the bishop’s direction, a member of the elders quorum presidency may act as the ward temple and family history leader or may supervise a Melchizedek Priesthood holder who is called to that responsibility.

Leader and Clerk Resources, which enforces the Handbook policies pretty strictly, won't allow you to enter a sister into the Temple and Family History Leader position. A sister can, however, be called as a Temple and Family History Consultant.