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The new wireless mics the FM ground dropped off are 2.4GHz. Not sure how the wireless internet and mics will get along, and who will interfere with who.
New Wireless mics are 2.4 Ghz
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Haven't gotten ours yet but am worried about that too. Might be a good reason to upgrade our access points to the 5 GHz Meraki units.
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Assuming you are referring to the Meraki MR33’s, they are dual band 2.4 and 5Ghz. Therefore you will still have a 2.4Ghz source of possible interference?
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Hopefully the mics can be set to a channel different than the APs. However, since the APs select their own channel, it should be checked before each use.
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Is everyone getting wireless mics?craiggsmith wrote:Haven't gotten ours yet...
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I can't imagine this being church-wide. Perhaps within a FM group at best.danpass wrote:Is everyone getting wireless mics?
But if you ask for one....
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Our FM group received notice that the FCC had auctioned off the spectrum our current Audio-Technica mics are using. These are the same standard Audio-Technica mics the LDS church supplies to Stakes.
So I was totally surprised to see that the replacements they are buying are 2.4 GHz ones. Because we are a large double chapel YSA building, we have 8 Access points (CISCO) and around noon time 400 - 600 in the building at one time. That is a lot of RF flying around from smartphones on both 2.4 and 5 GHz.
Stake Conference the week after General Conference with a visiting authority who has requested wireless mics. (They all do now.) 600+ in our adult session, probably 3 - 4 wireless mics. It will be an interesting test.
I would say the wireless mics are in use 2 times a month on Sundays. They are especially popular with 5th Sunday lessons and ward conferences.
Hopefully Church HQ/AV/IT has thought this through?
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So I was totally surprised to see that the replacements they are buying are 2.4 GHz ones. Because we are a large double chapel YSA building, we have 8 Access points (CISCO) and around noon time 400 - 600 in the building at one time. That is a lot of RF flying around from smartphones on both 2.4 and 5 GHz.
Stake Conference the week after General Conference with a visiting authority who has requested wireless mics. (They all do now.) 600+ in our adult session, probably 3 - 4 wireless mics. It will be an interesting test.
I would say the wireless mics are in use 2 times a month on Sundays. They are especially popular with 5th Sunday lessons and ward conferences.
Hopefully Church HQ/AV/IT has thought this through?
Kevin
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Are the new mics WFM or Spread Spectrum?
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I had a chance to dig into this. Right now, we're in a transition time where the mics may or may not be legal depending on if there's a wireless carrier using those frequencies in your area. But at some channels will become illegal after July 13, 2020kreeve wrote:Our FM group received notice that the FCC had auctioned off the spectrum our current Audio-Technica mics are using. These are the same standard Audio-Technica mics the LDS church supplies to Stakes.
Specifically, the banned frequencies are:
- 617 - 652 MHz
- 663 - 698 MHz
- 698 - 806 MHz (previously banned)
- TV channels 2-36 (about 54 - 608 MHz)
- 614-616 MHz
- 653-657 MHz for licensed use
- 657-663 MHz for unlicensed use
That said, I wouldn't be the least surprised but what the church wants all of these mics returned. I sure wouldn't want a bunch of these mics in the hands of people who may not follow instructions.
There's also some indication (according the B&H Photo catalog) that some manufacturers are giving credits toward new mics for turning in old "illegal" mics.
Regulatory Source: FCC: Operation of Wireless Microphones
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I’m sure we will be using our AudioTechs until such time as someone gets fined, or someone’s cell phone conversation hijacks audio in the chapel. No sooner.
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If my analysis is correct, stick with channels 2, 3 or 4 and you'll avoid that.Hagothsen wrote:I’m sure we will be using our AudioTechs until such time as someone gets fined, or someone’s cell phone conversation hijacks audio in the chapel. No sooner.
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Good to know, thank you.
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We've been using them for a couple of months how and have seen NO issue with Wifi interfering.
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@johnshaw and others who have the 2.4 GHz wireless mics: what model is it? Is it the Audio-Technica System 10? ATW-1102? https://www.audio-technica.com/cms/wls_ ... d06ff6943/
Our ward is looking to purchase one (FM unable to supply it as we already have a wireless lapel in the building). So I'm curious which model others have tried.
Our ward is looking to purchase one (FM unable to supply it as we already have a wireless lapel in the building). So I'm curious which model others have tried.
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That System 10 is NOT what we have, there isn't a 'channel' selection available like it shows on that picture, though maybe ours are older or something. So while maybe new ones are the System10 what is pictured at the link isn't what we're using.
If it's at all worth it, my experience has shown me that a combination lapel AND Handheld will serve the majority of purposes and use cases.
If it's at all worth it, my experience has shown me that a combination lapel AND Handheld will serve the majority of purposes and use cases.
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@johnshaw, thanks for your response. Hmm, would you be able to find out what model it is sometime? (Or anybody else?)
I agree, a lapel + handheld would suit our use cases well (gospel doctrine, RS). Our FM has confirmed that we will only get the one lapel mic assigned to the building/stake (we are in the stake center), but we can purchase our own separately. I actually purchased the Pyle wireless mic set (https://www.amazon.com/Professional-Wir ... B00DNGZ4CM) in an attempt to be frugal. However, it is not good -- cheap quality, constant buzz/static, and lots of handling noise with the plastic mics.
So now I'm looking for a wireless handheld mic that is more industrial/professional. I'm looking at the System 10 mentioned above, one of the Shure sets, or the Audio-Technica 2000 series. If anybody has experience with them, I'd love know how well they worked with passing around noise/durability.
I agree, a lapel + handheld would suit our use cases well (gospel doctrine, RS). Our FM has confirmed that we will only get the one lapel mic assigned to the building/stake (we are in the stake center), but we can purchase our own separately. I actually purchased the Pyle wireless mic set (https://www.amazon.com/Professional-Wir ... B00DNGZ4CM) in an attempt to be frugal. However, it is not good -- cheap quality, constant buzz/static, and lots of handling noise with the plastic mics.
So now I'm looking for a wireless handheld mic that is more industrial/professional. I'm looking at the System 10 mentioned above, one of the Shure sets, or the Audio-Technica 2000 series. If anybody has experience with them, I'd love know how well they worked with passing around noise/durability.
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I'd inquire with FM about having them buy a unit and the stake paying for it. I think they get a good discount.
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Please post if you can get them to do that. I've gone round and round with my FM who maintains that there is no way for them to accept payment from stakes. Therefore, he says, we only get what they give us, or go out and buy things on our own.russellhltn wrote:I'd inquire with FM about having them buy a unit and the stake paying for it. I think they get a good discount.
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FM is nothing more than a UNIT - I've transferred money from my stake account to FM in the past. But FM is a bit of a roulette wheel kinda depends, they mostly do what they do.
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Yes, my FM said he's not able to do it for the unit (even when I said we'd pay for it). The Audio-Technica he found was quoted at >$750. I'm not sure what model, but that's a lot more than what the Audio-Technica 2000 series cost.
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2.4 GHZ wireless mic interference?
Has anyone experience wireless mic interference with the new 2.4 GHz Digital Audio-Technica wireless mics?
I had one mic (1 of 4 in action) experience some sort of interference where audio had issues for 20 - 30 seconds then cleared up. Only one of the 4, and nothing changed. All 4 people were sitting still on stools on the stand in a training session Q&A with 4 visiting authorities.
Receivers 20' away, good line of site, and batteries all good. Pair light stayed solid green.
Not sure if this is telling of things to come or what.
Kevin
I had one mic (1 of 4 in action) experience some sort of interference where audio had issues for 20 - 30 seconds then cleared up. Only one of the 4, and nothing changed. All 4 people were sitting still on stools on the stand in a training session Q&A with 4 visiting authorities.
Receivers 20' away, good line of site, and batteries all good. Pair light stayed solid green.
Not sure if this is telling of things to come or what.
Kevin
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We did an event with a visiting authority where they requested 10 or 12 mics. We turned off all Wifi in the building and located the receivers centrally. The mics are slower to connect than the older ones, but that arrangement worked pretty well. More recently, however, I set up a single mic for a stake training event in the cultural hall and the mic stopped working for no apparent reason halfway through the event. I wasn't there at that moment, so they switched to a wired mic. I'm still concerned about the performance of the 2.4 GHz units and the definitely have significantly less range (especially through walls) than the older ones.