Can't Stream General Conference

Hi Community...

I hope that I'm posting this the right place.

I have for a while tried to view General Conference (and BYU TV), but without success. I'm using Ubuntu, and the church is using some kind of locked or closed format, that can only be view, if you are using the products that are sold by the vender, that is used by the church.

I don't understand this. Why don't the church use a open format. The church can still use the same vender, but the content should be in an open format, that is accessible to everyone. I guess we would like to spread the good word to every one.

I don't know the situation in US, but here in Europe the 'open format' movement is gaining momentum, so being locked down on just one platform would be a shame.

Regards Jørn Borup

The church is currently using Move Networks to provide streaming video.

Browser plug-ins are currently available for Internet Explorer and Firefox on the Windows platform, and on Firefox and Safari on the Mac OS X platform. Apparently the Linux version of Firefox is not currently supported by Move Networks, because there hasn't been enough demand yet to create the plug-in.

One option I've see discussed is to run the Windows version of Firefox on Linux using Wine to get the Move Networks plug-in to work. Since I don't use Ubuntu, I don't have a way to see if this works, or how cumbersome it is to set up.

The Church typically does not lead in technology advances, preferring instead to wait until technologies mature so that they don't put resources into technologies that fail to become mainstream.

The Church's recent move away from Flash video in favor of whatever new technology is employed by Move Networks is hopefully a signal that Church will eventually embrace non-proprietary means of delivering such content, such as HTML 5, CSS 3, ogg vorbis, and such. But first, such alternatives need to reach a critical mass before it is feasible for the Church to expend the resources necessary to support offering it.

Support for HTML 5, and CSS 3 might happen sooner than later, though, just by the Church trying to support the next generation of browsers, namely Firefox 3.5 and Safari 4.0.

jborup wrote:...the church is using some kind of locked or closed format, that can only be view, if you are using the products that are sold by the vender, that is used by the church.

Yes, they are using a technology from a specific vendor, but it is certainly not a paid download or product for the user. Questions of compatibility with Linux are certainly justified, as a quick browse of Move Networks official website reveals no mention of the platforms the plugin supports. This leads me to believe that they don't want to advertise what they are not compatible with.

jbh001 wrote:The Church's recent move away from Flash video in favor of whatever new technology is employed by Move Networks is hopefully a signal that Church will eventually embrace non-proprietary means of delivering such content, such as HTML 5, CSS 3, ogg vorbis, and such.

I would probably still consider Move Networks' new technology (that of adaptive streaming and HD-quality delivery) quite proprietary. To me, it seems the technology advantages are no different than going with Silverlight over Flash, or any other similar argument. You have to download the plugin to use the player, so there's really no standards-based or non-proprietary approach to using the Move player.

However, I will say that Move Networks does have an interesting differentiating factor with their technology that only time will tell if it works out for them. From their own website (my own emphasis added):

Unlike other media players, Move Media Player can be tailored to fit your individual strategy. The player can be integrated into Flash, Silverlight, or HTML player environments...

jbh001 wrote:Apparently the Linux version of Firefox is not currently supported by Move Networks, because there hasn't been enough demand yet to create the plug-in.

On the Move Network forums they announced in March that they are working on a capability for Linux that will be released soon.

jdlessley wrote:On the Move Network forums they announced in March that they are working on a capability for Linux that will be released soon.

So there's your answer, jborup!

Hi Community

Thanks for the reply's.

I have been looking around and found this statement from a person that says that he is working for Move Networks:

There simply isn't enough demands from our clients yet to justify the cost for building a Linux plugin yet. Hopefully that will change soon.

I guess that the Church is a Move networks client, so we just needs to persuade the church to ask for this support. How do we do that ? (Besides, I can't see how expensive it can bee, when they do have mac support).

I also found this:

In my opinion, THE most important online video plugin, Adobe's Flash, is available for the Linux platform. That's great news. Flash now supports H.264 MPEG4 content - which can be created with free video libraries such as x264. Such content can be embedded via a web page using the open source Flow Player.

The BBC sees the light and reworks iPlayer to be a Flash based application, thus allowing Linux users (amongst others) to benefit from the service.

Is that something that the Church have been looking at ?

Regards Jørn Borup

jborup wrote:I have been looking around and found this statement from a person that says that he is working for Move Networks...I guess that the Church is a Move networks client, so we just needs to persuade the church to ask for this support. How do we do that?

I think you missed the post from jdlessley!

He said that on the message boards of the official Move Networks website, there was a post announcing that they have already begun work on a Linux plugin for the Move Player. I would be willing to bet that this information is more up-to-date than your statement you found somewhere else on the internet, as this forum post was made only last month!

I imagine that the Church will be able to just automatically support Linux when Move Networks releases the finished Linux plugin, whenever that release date will be (no one knows yet).

jbh001 wrote:The church is currently using Move Networks to provide streaming video.

Browser plug-ins are currently available for Internet Explorer and Firefox on the Windows platform, and on Firefox and Safari on the Mac OS X platform. Apparently the Linux version of Firefox is not currently supported by Move Networks, because there hasn't been enough demand yet to create the plug-in.

One option I've see discussed is to run the Windows version of Firefox on Linux using Wine to get the Move Networks plug-in to work. Since I don't use Ubuntu, I don't have a way to see if this works, or how cumbersome it is to set up.

The Church typically does not lead in technology advances, preferring instead to wait until technologies mature so that they don't put resources into technologies that fail to become mainstream.

The Church's recent move away from Flash video in favor of whatever new technology is employed by Move Networks is hopefully a signal that Church will eventually embrace non-proprietary means of delivering such content, such as HTML 5, CSS 3, ogg vorbis, and such. But first, such alternatives need to reach a critical mass before it is feasible for the Church to expend the resources necessary to support offering it.

Support for HTML 5, and CSS 3 might happen sooner than later, though, just by the Church trying to support the next generation of browsers, namely Firefox 3.5 and Safari 4.0.

sorry to interject but i am also having this same problem though i am a windows users. I am not able to assess either the church's stream site or byu.tv's site. I thought these were flash player streaming videos.

Yes movenetworks is working on linux version of the player.
This is due because of Netbooks!
But I suppose it will be as proprietary, so I don't know if it will be available also for desktop linux.
As linux users we must wait (patiently) and make the best of mp3!

P.S.: I tried Firefox for windows throught wine, but when player start it change all colors and make display unreadable.

leocrawf wrote:sorry to interject but i am also having this same problem though i am a windows users. I am not able to assess either the church's stream site or byu.tv's site. I thought these were flash player streaming videos.

From Windows, using Internet Explorer or Firefox, nagivate to http://www.movenetworks.com/install-move-player and it should guide you through the installation process. You might need to upgrade to a more recent version of these browsers to get it to work properly. And if you are using any version of Windows prior to Windows XP I doubt you will have much success regardless of what you try.

jbh001 wrote:From Windows, using Internet Explorer or Firefox, nagivate to http://www.movenetworks.com/install-move-player and it should guide you through the installation process. You might need to upgrade to a more recent version of these browsers to get it to work properly. And if you are using any version of Windows prior to Windows XP I doubt you will have much success regardless of what you try.

FWIW, I recently had to re-install my Move player plugin because Firefox would just lock up every time I went to a viewing site. I did this by going to Tools->Add-ons and then uninstalling the Move player from there. Then I re-installed from the link above. Works fine again. (I am using Windows XP.)

jborup wrote:Hi Community...

I hope that I'm posting this the right place.

I have for a while tried to view General Conference (and BYU TV), but without success. I'm using Ubuntu, and the church is using some kind of locked or closed format, that can only be view, if you are using the products that are sold by the vender, that is used by the church.

I don't understand this. Why don't the church use a open format. The church can still use the same vender, but the content should be in an open format, that is accessible to everyone. I guess we would like to spread the good word to every one.

I don't know the situation in US, but here in Europe the 'open format' movement is gaining momentum, so being locked down on just one platform would be a shame.

Regards Jørn Borup

marianomarini_vi wrote:Yes movenetworks is working on linux version of the player.
This is due because of Netbooks!
But I suppose it will be as proprietary, so I don't know if it will be available also for desktop linux.
As linux users we must wait (patiently) and make the best of mp3!

P.S.: I tried Firefox for windows throught wine, but when player start it change all colors and make display unreadable.

I also use Linux, Mandriva 2009.0 if that matters, and my family and a member neighbor watched all four general sessions of conference at home this past weekend. Using Firefox 3.0.8, I went to the lds.org main page, clicked on the link for the general conference broadcast, then paged down to a section titled something like "other video streams". I right-clicked on the link for English WMV, selected the 'Copy Link Location' option to put the URL into the X select buffer. Then, in a terminal window, I typed mplayer ' (open single quote), middle clicked to paste the URL into the command line, typed a closing single quote, and pressed <Enter>.

Within a few seconds, mplayer was producing audio and video output of the conference session about to start. There were some glitches early on, but it settled out within a few minutes to a very viewable condition. My wife was viewing it on her computer, and she used 'f' to toggle mplayer to full-screen mode after I showed her that could be done.

(Between sessions, I did a bit of experimenting and stumbled upon mplayer's 'ASCII Art' output mode. It was pretty amusing to see full-motion video in ASCII art.)

marianomarini_vi wrote:Yes movenetworks is working on linux version of the player.
This is due because of Netbooks!
But I suppose it will be as proprietary, so I don't know if it will be available also for desktop linux.
As linux users we must wait (patiently) and make the best of mp3!

P.S.: I tried Firefox for windows throught wine, but when player start it change all colors and make display unreadable.

Being patiently or just wait, is not enough. I guess we have to do something actively.

Regards Jørn.

..., then paged down to a section titled something like "other video streams". I right-clicked on the link for English WMV, selected the 'Copy Link Location' option to put the URL into the X select buffer.

Good to know but I can't see that link!
I will check better next time!

Being patiently or just wait, is not enough. I guess we have to do something actively.

Movenetworks is a company and know only money's voice. They found a good way to stream HD video with variable definition according with variable internet speed connections. So good for it.
I wait for an open format that works like.

I wonder why Church adopted that technology. Usually the Church use old and consolidate techs. Why, in this case, it use a very new one?

marianomarini_vi wrote:I wonder why Church adopted that technology. Usually the Church use old and consolidate techs. Why, in this case, it use a very new one?

I don't really know for sure, but I do know that they are company started right here in Utah and that they become popular after trying out their new inventions on the BYU.tv website (which is obviously closely related to the Church since BYU is owned by them). Here is a quote from the Wikipedia article:

After inventing a new way of streaming video over the Internet, Move Networks began testing its services by streaming television programming for nearby Brigham Young University’s BYU.tv. In October 2006 Move launched video streaming for its first major customers, FOX and Televisa. Implementations followed for the CW (January 2007), ABC (March 2007), ESPN (July 2007), and Discovery Communications (August 2007).

marianomarini_vi wrote:I wonder why Church adopted that technology. Usually the Church use old and consolidate techs. Why, in this case, it use a very new one?

Probably because the licensing terms and fees were more favorable than Adobe's. Also, most (if not all) of the major television networks in the U.S. have switched to this player to stream their content over the Internet. That is a significant force supporting/using this technology in an area of the world where the Church also has its highest or second highest membership base.

I have also heard that Adobe's Flash video is a pain to program for despite it's being nearly ubiquitous. Perhaps Move Networks solution is easier to encode.

But then again, I'm just speculating and repeating hearsay. I don't have any real knowledge or experience in this area.

I'm sure there were many factors that came into play. And I'd expect the leading one to be ease of installation. We have to remember that the vast majority of users are not geeks and they run Windows. The more steps required to install a viewer, the less likely it will get adopted. The last stat I saw for Linux was single digit.

I don't know what the install process is for open source viewers, but if it's not a simple "click here", I doubt if it passes the test.

RussellHltn wrote:...

I don't know what the install process is for open source viewers, but if it's not a simple "click here", I doubt if it passes the test.

Open source viewers and other open source software can be distributed in binary form, especially by the owners of the copyrights, and installation can be as simple as for any other software.

I don't know about the technology of watching General Conference online. I do know that I sometimes watch TV and / or movies online 99.9999% problem free. (Every once in a great while "buffering" causes a delay.)

However, watching General Conference live simply would not work. It would not load. So, we tried listening to it. We caught a few minutes and then it stopped. Repeatedly. It was a joke. I went to other websites with no problem, so my ISP & computer were fine. Then we watched it live in German for a bit. Not very informative, as we speak English, but the German site worked just fine. English, not so fine. We gave up.

scion wrote:I don't know about the technology of watching General Conference online. I do know that I sometimes watch TV and / or movies online 99.9999% problem free. (Every once in a great while "buffering" causes a delay.)

However, watching General Conference live simply would not work. It would not load. So, we tried listening to it. We caught a few minutes and then it stopped. Repeatedly. It was a joke. I went to other websites with no problem, so my ISP & computer were fine. Then we watched it live in German for a bit. Not very informative, as we speak English, but the German site worked just fine. English, not so fine. We gave up.

What type of feed were you using? Were you using the Move Networks player or a WMV "other video streams" feed?

I have heard occasional talk that some ISPs may be giving QoS preference to some types of feeds at the expense of others. If that is happening, different types of feeds from the same source or the same type of feed from different sources could show different quality.

As I mentioned earlier in this or a similar thread, my wife watched all four general sessions of conference using mplayer from Mandriva Linux 2009.0. She watched the English feed from the "other video streams" section. There were a few buffering pauses during the first few minutes of each session, but essentially perfect playback after that.

I have no idea. I just clicked on all English speaking options at LDS.org. The video never worked at all. The audio ran for something like 1 - 5 minutes, then paused for several minutes. We spent more time with dead air than listening. German, on the other hand, suffered from no such technological maladies. The only problem with German (both video & audio) is that I don't know German. I used that as a test to verify that I had whatever software was required & that my ISP & wireless were both functioning properly.

During general conference the startup can take quite a few minutes. There are numerous factors affecting the feed. It has taken over seven minutes for me on lds.org. I get better results using BYUTV. Even then during general conference it takes about 3 to 4 minutes before I get anything. But after it starts there is no problem. Both lds.org and BYUTV use the Move Networks video player as the default.

rmrichesjr wrote:I also use Linux, Mandriva 2009.0 if that matters, and my family and a member neighbor watched all four general sessions of conference at home this past weekend. Using Firefox 3.0.8, I went to the lds.org main page, clicked on the link for the general conference broadcast, then paged down to a section titled something like "other video streams". I right-clicked on the link for English WMV, selected the 'Copy Link Location' option to put the URL into the X select buffer. Then, in a terminal window, I typed mplayer ' (open single quote), middle clicked to paste the URL into the command line, typed a closing single quote, and pressed <Enter>.

Within a few seconds, mplayer was producing audio and video output of the conference session about to start. There were some glitches early on, but it settled out within a few minutes to a very viewable condition. My wife was viewing it on her computer, and she used 'f' to toggle mplayer to full-screen mode after I showed her that could be done.

(Between sessions, I did a bit of experimenting and stumbled upon mplayer's 'ASCII Art' output mode. It was pretty amusing to see full-motion video in ASCII art.)

That is nice. I did some poking around, but never found you solution. Will try that next time..... If they haven't come up with a linux client by then.
- Jørn.

jdlessley wrote:During general conference the startup can take quite a few minutes. There are numerous factors affecting the feed. It has taken over seven minutes for me on lds.org. I get better results using BYUTV. Even then during general conference it takes about 3 to 4 minutes before I get anything. But after it starts there is no problem. Both lds.org and BYUTV use the Move Networks video player as the default.

Well, we sat huddled around the computer waiting for the video to load, but it didn't. We gave it plenty of time before switching to English audio, which only ran a few minutes straight. It was only a problem with English. I did find that we have the correct software. Other languages appear to be fine.

I'm an avid Linux user and I can say I've also been disappointed that the Move Network plugin does not work in Linux. For the record, the message about Linux support has been ongoing for some time (I'd say at least a year and a half) so I wouldn't hold my breath for it. I blogged about this issue some time ago:

http://blog.layer2.org/2007/10/08/use-m ... nly-sites/

Using Firefox under WINE does work pretty well for the Move Networks plugin. I didn't experience any real color issues (even the full-screen option worked), but I found my 4 year old laptop couldn't keep up well enough to play the Move Networks video. I had to use my newer desktop computer.

Other than the lack of Linux support, I'd say that the Move Networks plugin was a pretty good choice for the Church. It provides great video quality and adapts well to the speed of the network. You can't beat the rewind and fast forward features. Just the fact that they had a Firefox plugin at all is surprising.

For the past 3 or 4 conferences I've used the MMS streams the Church lists as "alternative" streams. These are super-useful to me because I stream them using XBMC on my TV. It is much more comfortable to watch when we don't have to huddle in the front of the computer and can sit on the couch. The quality is more than enough for my TV and I've had absolutely no problems with streaming delays or glitches (though I do have very fast FIOS). I'm sure other people can use the MMS streams with their Apple TVs or other set-top multimedia systems.

Jorn, I think you bring up an excellent point about the Church using open standards. As the Church grows, we are going to have a larger and larger population that isn't in the United States and doesn't want or can't afford Microsoft Windows and other proprietary software. The Church needs to be aware of this issue and act accordingly.

adamonduty wrote:These are super-useful to me because I stream them using XBMC on my TV.

What setup do you use on XBMC? I tried Navi-X but that just freezes for me, and I couldn't see anything else that might do it.

We are watching the women's conference: Slackware 13. on Mplayer using the windows media stream, it is working very well.

I may also try the Wine route and Windows-Mozilla-Firefox-3.5.3 in 2 weeks for General Conference in 2 weeks.

Thanks Everyone for the above discussions and info!

oronnie wrote:I may also try the Wine route and Windows-Mozilla-Firefox-3.5.3 in 2 weeks for General Conference in 2 weeks.

By my calendar, General Conference is a few hours less than 1 week away -- I just want to make sure you don't miss it!

jdlessley wrote:On the Move Network forums they announced in March that they are working on a capability for Linux that will be released soon.

Hi, just for logging that there isn't still any release or support for linux, i found a site where we can add a sign petition for linux support, now there are 449 signatures with mine on there. http://www.petitiononline.com/movlinux/petition.html

marquicus wrote:Hi, just for logging that there isn't still any release or support for linux, i found a site where we can add a sign petition for linux support, now there are 449 signatures with mine on there. http://www.petitiononline.com/movlinux/petition.html

Make that 450

So in just over 1 year, the petition has accumulated 450 signatures? That's disappointing.

jbh001 wrote:So in just over 1 year, the petition has accumulated 450 signatures? That's disappointing.

It will certainly get more visibility now that it has been mentioned here. But apparently the word would have to be spread on many other forums in addition to this one to get a movement going.

mkmurray wrote:It will certainly get more visibility now that it has been mentioned here.

It was mentioned in this forum 6 months ago.

I'm not sure how much that reflects the needs and how much it reflects the publicity.

I looked at GC through new link (beta reader version) and it works fine in my GNU/Linux box.
So something is going on!

marianomarini_vi wrote:I looked at GC through new link (beta reader version) and it works fine in my GNU/Linux box.
So something is going on!

Other than the new page layout, I'm not seeing evidence of a change in file formats, at least for the delayed versions. The 'listen' and 'download' columns contain links to files with suffixes .mp3, .mp4, and .wmv, the same formats that have been available on the main page for at least the past few years, if I remember correctly. I am grateful those formats are available and usable.

For me, the 'watch' column attempts to run the Move Networks player, which on my GNU/Linux machines results in a page that says my OS is not supported--also the same result as the past few years.

On the LDS.org homepage there was a link to a new player that was being beta tested for a couple of sessions during General Conference. The link was taken down sometime yesterday.

mkmurray wrote:It will certainly get more visibility now that it has been mentioned here. But apparently the word would have to be spread on many other forums in addition to this one to get a movement going.

460 signatures after I just added mine.

I'm using Debian GNU/Linux (squeeze) on my laptop, and me and my family were able to watch and listen (in spanish, we're mexican) the General Conference without a problem.

I'm using smplayer (frontend to mplayer) and I just clicked on Open > URL... , and pasted this link there:

mms://us-eu-st13g1.att-idns.net/3102_9548_01.asf

Such link was made available on the LDS.org page in "other streams" . Sometimes I use other links to watch BYUtv broadcasts, with no problem at all:

http://www.byutv.org/streaming/byutv.asx
http://www.byu.tv/international/index.html?show=es

These two links are already stored in the Open > TV > Edit... menu, so I don't have to paste them everytime I want to watch the streams.

Regards,
Sidd.

This year the English version of all sessions of General Conference streamed perfectly when live! Woohoo! That's the first time in quite awhile for me. (We have used the ASL - American Sign Language - stream to circumvent this problem in the past.)

However, trying to stream the video from the archive is *awful*! For example (note that pauses last longer than the spoken word portions):
at the end of the day a pair of missio
naries starts t
stay home and provide an environment where the spirit can be felt
(breath only)
teaching the doctrine r
we learn that while the spirit of

Several times a snippet was only a breath or part of a multi-syllabic word. LDS.org is the only site that has this problem. Hulu, youtube, and even movies are fine. General Conference is not. I wish that they'd fix this.

Can you provide more specifics? Does it just affecting one session or is it affect all of them? What method of streaming are you using-- i.e. the Move player, the Quicktime MP4, the WMV, etc.?

I just tried a couple of random sessions and scrubbed through to different parts and it streamed fine for me.

Scion, I would think it might also help if you could identify what OS and version, along with what application and its version number(s) you are using.

I remember seeing something a couple of years ago that Microsoft's media formats had a new version that would cause choppiness and drop-outs like you were describing--unless you used a newer version of their player software. Just in case something like that might be involved, the version numbers would help reduce the search space.

Also, what kind of numbers to you get from speed tests on your internet connection?

What is your packet loss rate to a well-known domain that answers pings? Run at least 20 packets to see whether 5-10% are being dropped.

Is anyone else experiencing issues with the Move player at the moment? It hasn't worked for me (on any of the Win XP and 7 PCs I've tried both at home and at various chapels in our stake) for close to a month now. The page (for example, www.lds.org/move) loads black "with errors" and never proceeds to load the player. On the rare occasion when the play itself loads, none of the video content plays.

On a side note, I've also noticed that the folks at BYU-TV have redesigned their site and now nothing there works for me! Is this just a local issue or are others experiencing this too?

Thanks in advance!

http://www.lds.org/move makes many calls to movenetworks. However, it appears to me that Move Networks has redesigned their site which completely breaks the lds.org site.

lionelwalters wrote:On a side note, I've also noticed that the folks at BYU-TV have redesigned their site and now nothing there works for me! Is this just a local issue or are others experiencing this too?

On Sunday, we couldn't get any live video up on the new BYUTV website. Very disappointing. Yesterday (Monday), the live video was working, but I noticed that you could not choose all of the programs to go back and watch. Only some of them were clickable. Music and the Spoken Word was one of the programs that is no longer available for viewing after the fact. Very frustrating when you have church at the time that the program is on.

(Posted a new thread here.)

If the live stream is available as a conventional format like WMV or MP4, and if you have access to some programs commonly available on Linux, you could download the stream in real time while you are at your church meetings and then watch the downloaded file later. The mplayer program with options -dumpstream and -dumpfile <filename> ought to do the job. You should be able to use cron to start the stream automatically. I don't remember the name of the option, but I seem to recall seeing an option that would limit the duration of the download.

Our family noticed that the General RS Broadcast was showing in Flash, which is very disappointing. Not only is it a more closed format, but the quality was very lacking. I sincerely hope that Move is back for general conference. Our family usually watches on a large enough television that the flash player is almost unbearable to look at. Any word from the church on plans and/or why the move away from Move?

I watched the Relief Society broadcast through the new player on my large sized HDTV. The picture quality was gorgeous - HD quality. The only problem was that it kept halting and re-buffering - which led us to eventually just bring up the Mormon Channel app on my Android and listen to it from there. Perfect, clear, uninterrupted audio

Mr.Intel wrote:Our family noticed that the General RS Broadcast was showing in Flash, which is very disappointing. Not only is it a more closed format, but the quality was very lacking. I sincerely hope that Move is back for general conference. Our family usually watches on a large enough television that the flash player is almost unbearable to look at. Any word from the church on plans and/or why the move away from Move?

From the sounds of a news story posted to another thread (http://newteevee.com/2010/01/26/the-fal ... -networks/), I would not expect the Church to move back to Move. It sounds like Move isn't there to go back to.

I just tried watching the archived General RS Broadcase using Flash, and I found it consumed nearly 100% of CPU time on my 2003-vintage single-core 32-bit computer. It also had significant buffering/stuttering issues. In comparison, the WMV general conference test feed using mplayer (on Linux) consumed only a small fraction of CPU time.

Based on reports from others, the Flash stream may also be using more bits per second than other threads, which may impact those with lower downstream bandwidth.

It wouldn't surprise me if the performance and quality of the streamed broadcasts improve over the next few conferences as the Church and the developers involved gain experience with this particular program.

rmrichesjr wrote:I just tried watching the archived General RS Broadcase using Flash, and I found it consumed nearly 100% of CPU time on my 2003-vintage single-core 32-bit computer.

I don't know why, but it seems like in the past year or so, Flash suddenly requires more horsepower to run YouTube videos then it did before.

The matter of Youtube is because they began to take more 1080p and similar HD quality videos, and another matter is it also may depend on what server Youtube has the video on, as I find problems with videos on some servers and not others.

Mr.Intel wrote:Our family noticed that the General RS Broadcast was showing in Flash, which is very disappointing. Not only is it a more closed format, but the quality was very lacking.

I want to echo this disappointment. We have a 3 Mbps connection and watching general conference. The video quality is quite blocky and stuttered; fortunately, audio appears to be okay. I'm hoping that Flash is a stop-gap solution, with a better option being considered in the future.