Mobile Digital Scriptures

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I'm sure at least some of us have read the standard works on a computer or laptop, even a Palm handheld device. Most of these are limited, difficult to use, or hard to read, or have some other negative that keeps them from being too widespread.
I have been inspired by recent technology to start this thread, dedicated to digital scriptures on the go.

First I want to highlight one of the most promising new technologies for the future of digital scripture reading. The technology is called E-Ink and is currently being used in a variety of products - most notible digital books. This technology allows text to be displayed on a paper looking surface without drawing electricity. Devices such as Sony's Reader and Amazon's Kindle only use battery power when turning to the next page, otherwise these conveniently sized thin devices aren't drawing power while you are reading. This kind of technology is extremely versitle and convenient, enough so to become popularly widespread in a matter of years. Even so, $300 - $500 is still a lot to pay doing little else than reading a book ... well thousands of books in one place anyway. That said, a currently even more convenient access to digital scriptures in your pocket is the obvious - cell phones.

Cell phones with large displays and touchscreens are becoming increasingly common as they drop in price due to competition, one in particular is the new T-Mobile G1. This phone is unique in that it uses Google's new open source operating system called Android. An operating system (like Windows or Mac OS) is a master control program that defines how programs are run on a computerized device. To be open source, a program must be available in its coded base form to anyone who might desire to view it or make fundamental changes to the way it works. In the Android's case, many computer programmers of all skill ranges are able to design software programs like a voice recorder, or movie player ... or in this case an easy way to read the standard works.

Unlike most software you download or buy for a computer, Android apps (as they are called) are usually updated very frequently - dependant only on the creator's wish to make his program better. In the case of the Android app called simply "Scriptures", you are first given a menu of choices including Old Testament, New Testament, Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and Pearl of Great Price. Touching the screen on each of those headings will then bring up a list of books, then chapters, and finally verses that can be scrolled through. Simple gestures like flicking your finger to the left, as if pulling the page over, will change to the next chapter. The ability to increase the size of the text on the screen is helpful for those of us who tire of squinting at small writing on an already small screen.

The Scriptures app was created by David Mitchell, who is currently working on making the program even better by adding things like bookmarks. Owners of the T-Mobile G1 only need to visit the Market on their phone and search for the app. Information about the program and future updates can be found here: http://blog.digitalbias.com/?page_id=87 If you do not have nor do you plan to buy a G1, worry not, cell phone makers such as Samsung, Motorola, and Nokia have plans for their own Google Android powered phones due out as early as this summer. In summary, the future of mobile digital scriptures is very close at hand and promises more convenience and compatibility than ever before. I urge all LDS to support mobile scriptures in all forms in order to spur further innovation.
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Rowskey wrote:In summary, the future of mobile digital scriptures is very close at hand...
If you search around these forums a little more, you will find that iPhone Scripture applications are a little bit farther ahead. I agree that support of these efforts is beneficial to all of us.
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Sounds like YanCEyWare

Not to dampen the excitement that I share with where mobile computing is going - but I've been enjoying these features on YanCEyWare(Windows Mobile) for 5+ years.

If someone wanted to port YanCEyWare Reader (or just make their .ybk books readable) for the iPhone/Android, that would really make my day. All the content is already there - I just can't make the transition from my Pocket PC to my iPhone with it because the reader is for Windows Mobile. :(
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Josiah wrote:If someone wanted to port YanCEyWare Reader (or just make their .ybk books readable) for the iPhone/Android, that would really make my day.

And the Blackberry...
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If someone wanted to port YanCEyWare Reader (or just make their .ybk books readable) for the iPhone/Android, that would really make my day. All the content is already there - I just can't make the transition from my Pocket PC to my iPhone with it because the reader is for Windows Mobile.
As the developer behind the free iPhone Scriptures application, I can tell you that one of the things I would really like to do is provide additional Gospel content in the application. Unfortunately my hands are tied in this because of copyright issues.

I have contacted the Church's copyright office multiple times on this issue but have yet to receive a definitive answer one way or the other. The closest I have gotten was this response four months ago:

"At the present, guidelines for the use of Church materials on iPhones is being determined; therefore we are not able to grant permission for such uses"

Until the Church decides on this issue, there is really nothing that can legally be done in terms of adding this content to the iPhone. (And I suspect other new devices such as Android phones).

If someone knows someone that I could talk with about this, that would be helpful. I know that the Church has to be careful about protecting their intellectual property rights, but there is certainly a precedent for this with Palm and Windows Mobile devices.
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lfalin wrote:As the developer behind the free iPhone Scriptures application, I can tell you that one of the things I would really like to do is provide additional Gospel content in the application. Unfortunately my hands are tied in this because of copyright issues.
I think the way one provider has worked around it - is rather then distribute the scriptures, they distribute software that allows the end user to pull the data from the website and load it into their application. That way it's not you (as a company) that's doing it, but the end users in the scope of "fair use" for personal use.
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Others have a direct agreement with the church to convert certain LDS publications into their own format and make it freely available, for example YanCEyWare. (They are pretty fast at converting all the latest releases too!) When asked about a decompiler for their book format, the answer was their copyright agreement with the church wouldn't allow it.

I understand artwork found in church magazines, manuals, covers, etc. is more difficult to get permission to redistribute than text, but I'm not close to being learned in this area.
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There is a free app for the Android called Scriptures from digitalbias.com, which can be downloaded to the phone device using its standard Market app, as Rowskey noted. For its content, Scriptures uses files from the Mormon Documentation Projectsaid to be in the public domain.
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YanceyWare already has an alpha for Android

FYI - it is on the way.
Josiah wrote:Not to dampen the excitement that I share with where mobile computing is going - but I've been enjoying these features on YanCEyWare(Windows Mobile) for 5+ years.

If someone wanted to port YanCEyWare Reader (or just make their .ybk books readable) for the iPhone/Android, that would really make my day. All the content is already there - I just can't make the transition from my Pocket PC to my iPhone with it because the reader is for Windows Mobile. :(
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There's a youtube video showing an Alpha release of "REVEL", which is a new Yanceyware YBK compatible Ebook reader for the Android platform. You can view it here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY33SOsqe5E
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someone help me

I want to put the book of mormon on my g1 cellphone but there is not a applacaton for it on the g1 can some one create an applacation for it or am I out of luck please send me a reply at romanceman19811@gmail.com
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kyle wrote:I want to put the book of mormon on my g1 cellphone but there is not a applacaton for it on the g1 can some one create an applacation for it or am I out of luck please send me a reply at romanceman19811@gmail.com

eReader is planning a reader for the G1. It is rumored to be comming out this spring. There is a version of the scriptures for the eReader available at LDS.org

There is currently a community development project to develop an official scripture application for the iPhone and that could be expanded to other formats if this project is successful. See the iPhone community development project info on the LDSTech Wiki.
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kyle wrote:I want to put the book of mormon on my g1 cellphone but there is not a applacaton for it on the g1 can some one create an applacation for it or am I out of luck please send me a reply at romanceman19811@gmail.com

Try Reveal Reader, which can be downloaded from the Android Market. (It's found under Reference.) I use a beta version without much problem.

Because Reveal is designed to use the popular YanCEyware file format, there are many LDS titles available in addition to the standard works.

.Note: This is the same app that Microwaved reported on upthread some time ago. Since then, "REVEL" has been renamed as "Reveal" and released as a beta.
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Universal Solution

Maybe this already exists. Has anyone considered taking the scripture data from LDSOSS and distributing in HTML format? CSS could be created for prominent devices and bookmarking would be handled by the browser.

Admittedly, not as "fancy" as a lot of other solutions, but completely platform independent. People who want something more feature rich could go with another solution - but for most of us, this would be more than sufficient.

I try to use lds.org, but reception in our building on my blackberry is less than ideal and I also wouldn't have to chew up data minutes.

Thoughts?
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Kalani.Keala wrote:Thoughts?
While it may work, I think it would consume quite a bit of memory and may be too slow. Specialized applications are quick and use little memory.

For example, I've had the Standard Works including Jesus the Christ on my little Palm IIIxe which only had 8MB of memory - with room left over. But when I went to download a PDF copy of the scriptures, I found it was over 50MB and extremely slow to open.
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I don't think you understand. It would be static HTML content in the devices persistent storage, just like an apps db files (on a micro-SD card for those that support it). It is made up of static HTML text files read by the browser of so it would BLOW AWAY the performance of any application (No database overhead, just file read overhead). The size would be similar to the LDSOSS raw text files, replacing indexing and delimiting info for HTML tags.

And it would run ON ANY browser enable device with a persistent memory to hold the HTML files. I know it would work, I'm just wondering if someone has done it already.

I've been a software developer for 15 years so I know of what I speak.
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I couldn't find the raw text files, so I don't know how big they are. The speed is going to depend on how the files are broken up and the rendering speed of the browser.

Another performance issue is searching. I suspect most of the PDA formats convert the words into tokens. When searching, you convert the search term(s) to tokens and search for a match rather then having to search for text strings.

It may well boil down to a textbook case of CPU cycles vs memory efficiency and finding the sweet spot for speed. But I'm skeptical that HTML would be as fast as good dedicated scripture app. But it may be a functional alternative for the PDAs with smaller market share.
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I may be mistaken, but I thought the YanCEyWare e-book format and apps that read it are based on an HTML-like browser method, with the documents compressed and broken into smaller pieces. There is no search capability, but the YanCEyWare reader satisfies many users. It is not the same thing as a generic, open HTML browser, of course.
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HTML Scriptures

Done. You can download from here. You'll have to unzip and transfer the entire "Scriptures" directory to your device - about 10MBs. Then browse to Scriptures/index.html and you're off. It's pretty zippy on my blackberry curve.

This is just a first "working" run. I haven't embedded CSS tags into the pages to allow sprucing up the UI. But that's next and easy. As is, I stayed up an hour past my bedtime, but I'm pleased with the results.

URL entry is a little tricky in the blackberry browser - email me if you need any help, but google took care of me. But do it once, bookmark, and you're done!