I won't turn this into a debate of any kind so the quick and simply answer to this question is "no". The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has (especially lately) been examined closely by outsiders and we welcome the attention. The sincere search for truth is a basic, driving force in our church. If it looks like we're fearful it may be because we, as a people, have a history of being persecuted and, at times, that included horrible, violent crimes against the Latter-day Saints. So there can be some resistance when the "examination" has a tone of conflict.Composer2005 wrote:Are the Mormons/LDS fearful of examination by outsiders, or do they just refuse to believe anything they haven't been shown by their own kind?
No, it's simply that this forum is dedicated to technology, so a discussion of beliefs is not within the scope of this forum. Everything in this forum is open to "scrutiny" and discussion, as long as that discussion follows the Code of Conduct and is on a topic relevant to the specific technologies used by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.Composer2005 wrote:Does that mean this Forum doesn't permit scrutiny?
It's not for discussion of our faiths and beliefs. The forum is to assist members and leaders with church technology.Composer2005 wrote:Can you clarify what that means?
Do you realize how offensive it is to the Latter-day Saints to refer to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as a cult? This is exactly what I meant when I said that there can be some resistance when the "examination" has a tone of conflict. As others have stated, however, this is not the place for this type of discussion, so I will politely withdraw. The discussion you seem to seek is readily available elsewhere and you have the links.Composer2005 wrote:BTW: Most Cults claim persecution somewhere along the line, the j.w's spring to mind, so you are not unique in your assertion!!
Did you get the screen asking for name/email or did that come later?lmcguire wrote:FWIW, the "Chat" page loads blank for me too, in both Firefox and MS IE 11.
I got the header, the footer, and between them a white page with only a little blue bar to the left with three vertical icons (chat, a person, a book). Those icons turned the mouse into a pointer, but clicking on them did nothing. Links in the header and footer worked like on every other page. Nothing else showed in the central / white part of the screen (no name or email prompts).russellhltn wrote:Did you get the screen asking for name/email or did that come later?lmcguire wrote:FWIW, the "Chat" page loads blank for me too, in both Firefox and MS IE 11.
Very odd. I get the (mostly) blank page on Firefox, Chrome and IE9. They all get a javascript error where the function chatUrl() is undefined. I can't find a definition for that symbol anywhere in the javascript or html files referenced by that page. It doesn't look like an error that depends on the browser.russellhltn wrote:That's odd. I can get to the initial "Chat with a Mormon Online" page each time with no problems. Both Chrome and IE11. Even in Incognito mode and InPrivate browsing. The fields are the last thing to populate on the screen. I'm not sure what technology might be in use there. I know it's not flash since I have it disabled.
That's what I also got using Chrome (Latest version)lmcguire wrote:I got the header, the footer, and between them a white page with only a little blue bar to the left with three vertical icons (chat, a person, a book). Those icons turned the mouse into a pointer, but clicking on them did nothing. Links in the header and footer worked like on every other page. Nothing else showed in the central / white part of the screen (no name or email prompts).russellhltn wrote:Did you get the screen asking for name/email or did that come later?lmcguire wrote:FWIW, the "Chat" page loads blank for me too, in both Firefox and MS IE 11.
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I must have played there a long time ago (must be many years?) but it says they won't let me play there any more!johnshaw wrote:Plenty of people here you can play with composer2005.... http://www.mormondialogue.org/
The folks at Mormon.org will be able to help you if you were sent to a page that did not work for you. Also, the LDS Newsroom has a lot of information about LDS Faith and Beliefs related to your request that may be of interest to you.Composer2005 wrote:I went to Mormon.org - chat with a representative, only to get a page that leads nowhere?