Family Discovery Day website link not working

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#1
We are in the process of publicizing our upcoming Family Discovery Day event. All the publicity materials we received from SLC (posters, flyers, etc.), include the link:
www.lds.org/familydiscoveryday
to register for the event. However, this link is not working (404 error). We submitted feedback from the 404 error page a few days ago, but only got the automated response. Does someone monitor this forum who could track this down?

Thanks,
--Steve
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#2
swigginton wrote:Does someone monitor this forum who could track this down?
No, sorry. But I just went to the site and it seems to be working just fine right now.
#3
lajackson wrote:
swigginton wrote:Does someone monitor this forum who could track this down?
No, sorry. But I just went to the site and it seems to be working just fine right now.
It's still not working here. Are you on a Church network? I understand that the link works from some Church facilities, but not externally.
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#4
That link's not working for me either. But a search turns up a number of other pages dealing with Family Discovery Day.
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#5
The link works for me on Safari, OS X Yosemite. I'm not on a Church network or anything.
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#6
Doesn't work for me. I wonder if there is a caching issue on the CDN where it is available on some CDN servers and not on others.
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#7
I don't know for sure where that link is supposed to take you, but the normal Family Discovery Day page is at:

https://www.lds.org/topics/family-histo ... scoveryday

I would guess that the shorter URL was just an easier way to get to that same page.
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#8
aebrown wrote:I don't know for sure where that link is supposed to take you, but the normal Family Discovery Day page is at:

https://www.lds.org/topics/family-histo ... scoveryday

I would guess that the shorter URL was just an easier way to get to that same page.
But according to the OP, that's not what's on the posters. That's a problem.
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#9
russellhltn wrote:
aebrown wrote:I don't know for sure where that link is supposed to take you, but the normal Family Discovery Day page is at:

https://www.lds.org/topics/family-histo ... scoveryday

I would guess that the shorter URL was just an easier way to get to that same page.
But according to the OP, that's not what's on the posters. That's a problem.
Understood; I never said it wasn't a problem. I was just trying to make sure people knew how to get to the information. If they only know about the shortcut URL, they may think the information isn't available at all.

However, it turns out that the shortcut link actually redirects to:

https://www.lds.org/topics/family-histo ... istory-day

which is different content from the page I first guessed might be the one.

The shortcut link is working for me just fine right now, but I'm accessing it from within the Church network, which could certainly be a factor.
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russellhltn wrote: But according to the OP, that's not what's on the posters. That's a problem.
Yes, that's the issue. We have posters in all buildings in the stake, have submitted a news article for publication in a local newspaper and will be distributing thousands of flyers over the next few weeks. All of these contain the non-functioning URL, which was provided on the promotional materials we received from SLC.
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#11
swigginton wrote:
russellhltn wrote: But according to the OP, that's not what's on the posters. That's a problem.
Yes, that's the issue. We have posters in all buildings in the stake, have submitted a news article for publication in a local newspaper and will be distributing thousands of flyers over the next few weeks. All of these contain the non-functioning URL, which was provided on the promotional materials we received from SLC.
Have you tried the link today? It's working for me both inside and outside the Church network.
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#12
The Family History tech team is different from ICS. If you have a HC over this event, it might need to get escalated up through their side of things as they work with the church. Someone can get someone on the phone, it's just not likely you.
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#13
aebrown wrote:Have you tried the link today? It's working for me both inside and outside the Church network.
I tried it just now. It changes to https://www.lds.org/familydiscoveryday?lang=eng and gets a 404.

I suspect it's something that only on some servers in the farm.
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#14
johnshaw wrote:The Family History tech team is different from ICS.
True, but these URLs are all on lds.org, not familysearch.org, so it is indeed ICS that is responsible for them. The content probably comes from FamilySearch, but the infrastructure such as (load balancers) relevant to this discussion are all part of ICS.
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#15
russellhltn wrote:I tried it just now. It changes to https://www.lds.org/familydiscoveryday?lang=eng and gets a 404.
Are you just typing in the URL "www.lds.org/familydiscoveryday" or are you following some link from a post or bookmark? Does your URL use https or just http?

When I follow your https link, I get a 404 as well. But if I use "www.lds.org/familydiscoveryday" or even "http://www.lds.org/familydiscoveryday" then it works fine.
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#16
aebrown wrote:Are you just typing in the URL "www.lds.org/familydiscoveryday" or are you following some link from a post or bookmark?
I've been using the link in the OP. But just now I tried a copy and paste of your text in both IE and Chrome - no joy.

All attempts to use http gets changed to https. I suspect that might be part of the issue.
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#17
aebrown wrote:
russellhltn wrote:I tried it just now. It changes to https://www.lds.org/familydiscoveryday?lang=eng and gets a 404.
Are you just typing in the URL "www.lds.org/familydiscoveryday" or are you following some link from a post or bookmark? Does your URL use https or just http?

When I follow your https link, I get a 404 as well. But if I use "www.lds.org/familydiscoveryday" or even "http://www.lds.org/familydiscoveryday" then it works fine.
All of those get 404 for me as well. Same with all the links in the thread except the one that goes to the topic page direct.
#18
There is another link that redirects to the same website:
http://www.lds.org/familyhistoryday
That link works fine for us. It also changes the url prefix to "https:", so I don't think that's an issue.
http://www.lds.org/familydiscoveryday should redirect to the same website, but fails. Unfortunately, that's the one on the printed materials.
I'll try calling SLC after lunch to see if they have any ideas and will post an update.
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#19
I can no longer get to www.lds.org/familydiscoveryday. It redirects with an https:// in front and a lang=eng at the end and then errors at Page Not Found.
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#20
swigginton wrote:There is another link that redirects to the same website:
http://www.lds.org/familyhistoryday
That link works fine for us. It also changes the url prefix to "https:", so I don't think that's an issue.
http://www.lds.org/familydiscoveryday should redirect to the same website, but fails.
Neither of those work for me. Both redirect to https and fails.

I've sent the issue to my "content" contact, and he's forwarded it on up.

Weird. I was trying something one last time, and now "familyhistoryday" works in Chrome, but not in IE. Pasting the resulting URL from Chrome into IE allows IE work, but the re-direct remains broken.
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#21
aebrown wrote:
johnshaw wrote:The Family History tech team is different from ICS.
True, but these URLs are all on lds.org, not familysearch.org, so it is indeed ICS that is responsible for them. The content probably comes from FamilySearch, but the infrastructure such as (load balancers) relevant to this discussion are all part of ICS.
I think John is talking about motivation and escalation, not who needs to do the fixing. I think he has a valid point. I'd suggest following his tip.
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#22
I called the FH department in SLC. They walked me through many of the steps I've already done. Of course, since it works fine for them (being on the church network), their focus was on browser config, etc. Once we got past that, they felt it should be discussed with the global services support. I called them, and went through pretty much the same steps before they seemed to give up and said they didn't know what to do. I'm pursuing a couple of parallel paths to raise awareness/urgency of the issue, including trying to reach someone at HQ who oversees the Family History Days events, since they would have an interest in seeing this fixed. We'll see what happens.
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#23
swigginton wrote:There is another link that redirects to the same website:
http://www.lds.org/familyhistoryday
That link works fine for us. It also changes the url prefix to "https:", so I don't think that's an issue.
http://www.lds.org/familydiscoveryday should redirect to the same website, but fails. Unfortunately, that's the one on the printed materials.
I'll try calling SLC after lunch to see if they have any ideas and will post an update.
Both of these are now working for me but I had to clear my cache before the second started working.
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#24
I can't get the first one to work, but the second one is working in both browsers. Since that's the one on the posters, that seems to be the big one.
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#25
We're getting closer. It's now working for me in Chrome, but not IE. I've cleared cache and cookies, but no go.
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#26
swigginton wrote:We're getting closer. It's now working for me in Chrome, but not IE. I've cleared cache and cookies, but no go.
It looks like it's using a 301 permanent redirect. For at least some versions of IE it looks like clearing the cache doesn't clear saved 301 redirects. I found one site that claimed that switching to private mode, visiting the page and changing back to normal mode would clear it. It might be worth trying.

You may also want to try it on a computer which never visited the page in IE and see if it works there.
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#27
eblood66 wrote: I found one site that claimed that switching to private mode, visiting the page and changing back to normal mode would clear it. It might be worth trying.
Bingo! Both browsers work with both links now.
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#28
Well, lds.org/familydiscoveryday has stopped working this morning. Tried multiple browsers on multiple devices and networks. It was working last night. lds.org/familyhistoryday still works fine. Not sure why they can't direct both to the same url. Strange.
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#29
swigginton wrote:Well, lds.org/familydiscoveryday has stopped working this morning. Tried multiple browsers on multiple devices and networks. It was working last night. lds.org/familyhistoryday still works fine. Not sure why they can't direct both to the same url. Strange.
For me lds.org/familydiscoveryday is working but lds.org/familyhistoryday is no longer working. I am on a different network now (work rather than home).
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swigginton wrote:I called the FH department in SLC. They walked me through many of the steps I've already done. Of course, since it works fine for them (being on the church network), their focus was on browser config, etc. Once we got past that, they felt it should be discussed with the global services support. I called them, and went through pretty much the same steps before they seemed to give up and said they didn't know what to do. I'm pursuing a couple of parallel paths to raise awareness/urgency of the issue, including trying to reach someone at HQ who oversees the Family History Days events, since they would have an interest in seeing this fixed. We'll see what happens.
Try not to drive yourself crazy working through the insanity. The Church is just NOT setup to work with a member rather than an employee.

I experienced all these same things when the Kansas City Temple Open House reservation went live without the church turning it on for external access. Everything you described here was my experience (it works for me, etc...) - i asked them to page out their network team, but they said the only thing they could do was log a point. I couldn't understand how much the team seemed NOT to care that thousands of members of the church were being impacted by something that eventually took about 5 minutes work for the network team. (there ended up also being a leap-year problem in the logic which also took a bit to fix also). Multiple Stake Presidents were unable to get it escalated either.

It's not really their fault either, it is just how they are organized.
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