Audio-Technica ATW2000

Stake Conference is coming up and the visiting GA requested 6 wireless mikes. We have one and I talked to one of the FM employees that said he was dropping off four new ATW2000 with lapel mic's. How many mic's will one receiver unit handle? We have only one XLR connection at the pulpit. If you can run multiple mic's off one receiver why not just buy additional mic's to go with it. If that is not the case how would you setup the system?

Thanks

Typically, one mic - one receiver. (Unless it's a multi-channel receiver.) And the mics will need to be on different channels.

You'll need a mixer to mix the 6 mics to that one connector. Add that to your list for FM.

And I have a feeling the lapel mics may not cut it. You'll be OK if he's trying to "stage" a role-play. But it's possible he's trying to cover the audience with hand mics.

Russell is correct -- one receiver per mic, plus one mixer to rule them all.

The worst thing about microphones, especially lapel mics, is that people don't hold them close enough to their mouths. You keep increasing the volume for a mic on the mixer until the feedback squeal kicks in. While I can't do much for the wireless mics, I always tape a note to the podium that reminds each person to speak into the microphone.

drepouille wrote:The worst thing about microphones, especially lapel mics, is that people don't hold them close enough to their mouths. You keep increasing the volume for a mic on the mixer until the feedback squeal kicks in.

One lapel is bad enough. I can't imagine trying to run multiple at the same time. I think you'd need an automatic mic mixer (turns on a mic when there's sound and mutes them when not in use. It reduces overall gain if multiple mics are on. It has the reaction time to pull off what human's can't.)

I'm sure facilities will include receivers for them. But true, managing feedback with 6 lapel mics and overhead speakers could be a challenge. You can also get a handheld mic that works with that same receiver; we got one and use it a lot more than the lapel mic. I'm interested to know what the plan is for them.

So what is an automatic mic mixer? What brand? Also your saying each unit uses a different channel.

Those units have 10 channels; yes, each one has to be on a different one but you just have to match the mic with the receiver.

An automatic mixer is what is typically installed in the main sound system; it adjusts the volume automatically. They often only turn mics on when they sense a certain volume level, and sometimes only let one mic be on at a time.

I'm not sure if facilities will have one available, especially with 6 inputs. They aren't usually designed for portable use but rather permanent installs.

I don't know how to hook up 5 or 6 Audio-Technica's to only one XLR connection on the rostrum.

You can't, that's why you need a mixer. Either a 6-channel or you might be able to use a smaller one if there are other inputs on the rostrum; our buildings typically have 3 or 4. Facilities should have a regular mixer, although if you do webcasting you ought to have one of your own.

One more thing -- you have to do a careful sound check with those mics. The receiver is odd in that both the XLR and 1/4" outputs are line level. There is a variable output knob on the back and you have to very carefully adjust it so as not to overdrive the input.

Here's the crazy thing the whole rostrum was redone and they only put in one XlR jack. The people who did it said that was what the plans called for in the remodel job. I'll check with FM and see if the have a mixer. Thanks for all the input it is appreciated.

farwest wrote:Here's the crazy thing the whole rostrum was redone and they only put in one XlR jack. The people who did it said that was what the plans called for in the remodel job.

Bummer, typical.

farwest wrote:Here's the crazy thing the whole rostrum was redone and they only put in one XlR jack. The people who did it said that was what the plans called for in the remodel job. I'll check with FM and see if the have a mixer. Thanks for all the input it is appreciated.

The reason is, your typical chapel sound system only has 4 channels. With the organ, pulpit mic, and sacrament table mic, that leaves only one XLR jack available for general use. Granted, some buildings (like mine) have two XLR jacks available, but I found through trial-and-error that one is tied in parallel with one of the other inputs causing the audio to drop off somewhat if both are used at the same time.

If you can't dig up a suitable mixer, you can probably run 4 of the wireless mics at the same time by locating the 3 other jacks and utilize some helpers to quick-change them over to your receivers after the opening song/prayer.

The reason is that nobody should be expected to have 6 wireless MIC's in a chapel. I would so seriously push back on this until that Visiting GA arranges for a mixer, and a sound engineer to run it from headquarters to fly out/drive out.

Mikerowaved wrote:The reason is, your typical chapel sound system only has 4 channels. With the organ, pulpit mic, and sacrament table mic, that leaves only one XLR jack available for general use. Granted, some buildings (like mine) have two XLR jacks available, but I found through trial-and-error that one is tied in parallel with one of the other inputs causing the audio to drop off somewhat if both are used at the same time.

If you can't dig up a suitable mixer, you can probably run 4 of the wireless mics at the same time by locating the 3 other jacks and utilize some helpers to quick-change them over to your receivers after the opening song/prayer.

Duh, forgot about that. Except I have never seen the organ tied into the sound system (wish it were). I usually see the pulpit mic, sacrament mic, and 2 other jacks. The sacrament mic could be commandeered ahead of time; only the pulpit mic would need a quick change.

johnshaw wrote:The reason is that nobody should be expected to have 6 wireless MIC's in a chapel. I would so seriously push back on this until that Visiting GA arranges for a mixer, and a sound engineer to run it from headquarters to fly out/drive out.

I am happy to see technology being used more, but as is typical the left and right hands aren't coordinated and they ask for things we don't have.

I'm happy that technology is being used as well, but when it comes to budget money - I'm a stickler. It's the Church that has decided on the standard meetinghouse plan, it is the church that has created the policy around what 'technology' equipment that a stake can use their own budget for, etc... If the Church wanted to be able to support that many microphones, they should provide that many, or have the FM group own that many to borrow along with a mixer.

In my last stake we had an FM that did just that, he had 4 mics that could be borrowed, and he asked me to come help him understand how to set them up and work with them, etc... We went to a meetinghouse and he quickly figured out his own dilemma (I purposely played along like I didn't know the xlr input problem he was going to encounter). I went to my car, got my audio mixer and showed him how they could all be setup. So he purchased a simple mixer and we were in business.

This is also where I came to understand the problem. He (FM) asked me to help him setup for a Mission President seminar held in our area. Several GA's were there and they traveled with a 'Technology Kit' - it had an appletv, projector, wireless AP, and a mixer to get the appletv sound into the hotel conference room sound system, though we didn't use it. The conference room had the ability to use 8 microphones and included them as part of the conference room fees (though it was a per-item price) so the FM was trying to use his microphones as well. Anyway... it seems that at times they do travel with a technology kit, but only if they don't use a local church building for their meetings.