LCR access for Stake Relief Society Presidents

Our Stake Relief Society President has attempted to access information in LCR. She has not been able to, even though the Ward Relief Society Presidencies now are able to. Will there be an update in the future to allow the Stake Women's leaders to see information and statistics relative to their callings in the LCR?

Looking at the release notes for 3.0, it appears to be added in that version. It's in beta now, but expected to roll out middle of next month. This is the same version that places HT/VT on-line.

There is currently no access for stake auxiliary leaders in LCR and there are no plans to add access for stake auxiliary leaders in LCR 3.0.

I just read through the release notes and realized that they probably could have been worded more clearly. The release notes say "Stake and ward clerks and priesthood quorum and auxiliary presidencies can now manage organization and calling information for their respective organizations." A better interpretation of that would be "Stake clerks, ward clerks, and ward priesthood quorum and auxiliary presidencies ..."

The first item in the LCR FAQs addresses this:

Why don’t stake auxiliary leaders and high councilors have access to LCR?

Stake auxiliary leaders and high councilors are primarily responsible to instruct and support ward auxiliary and Melchizedek Priesthood leaders. They orient newly called ward auxiliary and Melchizedek Priesthood leaders and provide encouragement, support, and instruction. They are not responsible for individual ward members. It is the ward clerk’s responsibility to train ward auxiliary and Melchizedek Priesthood leaders on record-keeping tools and responsibilities. If stake auxiliary leaders and high councilors need a list of members for planning purposes, they should request this information through the ward or stake clerk.

scgallafent wrote:Stake auxiliary leaders and high councilors are primarily responsible to instruct and support ward auxiliary and Melchizedek Priesthood leaders. They orient newly called ward auxiliary and Melchizedek Priesthood leaders and provide encouragement, support, and instruction. They are not responsible for individual ward members. It is the ward clerk’s responsibility to train ward auxiliary and Melchizedek Priesthood leaders on record-keeping tools and responsibilities. If stake auxiliary leaders and high councilors need a list of members for planning purposes, they should request this information through the ward or stake clerk.

My favorite quote ever in any document produced by the Church - Hands Down!

scgallafent wrote:I just read through the release notes and realized that they probably could have been worded more clearly.

While you're at it, you might want to fix this too:

Home and visiting teaching management. Using the Organizations menu, high priests group leadership, elders quorum presidencies, and Relief Society presidencies can now manage home and visiting teaching information for their respective organization. Stake home and visiting teaching reports are also available.

The combination of "Relief Society presidencies" and "Stake home and visiting teaching reports" is what caused me to come to an incorrect conclusion.

If the stake leaders are to train and instruct, and the online tools are being provided for the use of the ward leaders, how are the stake leaders supposed to train and instruct on how to use them if they have no access. I find it incredibly frustrating as a stake finance clerk to try and answer the questions from the wards when I cannot see the same screens they are seeing. I certainly don't advocate for expanded access to personal, member information. I do think that if we are going to continue to expand these great tools, a sandbox or playground area where leadership positions can verify how something should be done are essential components and should not be relegated to the afterthought or "if we have time" status they seem to occupy now. These are critical tools for us as the trainers to be able to train, teach and instruct in the proper usage of these tools.

I have the reverse issue. There are some features of LCR that only branch presidents, bishops, and stake presidents can access. As a stake clerk, I have no access to them, and yet these leaders expect me to help them learn how to use these features.

Benjamin,

The job of instructing organization leadership on record keeping is the Ward Clerk's and not the organization Stake Leader.

johnshaw wrote:The job of instructing organization leadership on record keeping is the Ward Clerk's and not the organization Stake Leader.

But who trains and provides support to the ward clerk?

sbradshaw wrote:But who trains and provides support to the ward clerk?

According to Handbook 1, 13.4.2, the bishopric and stake clerks.

scgallafent wrote:

sbradshaw wrote:But who trains and provides support to the ward clerk?

According to Handbook 1, 13.4.2, the bishopric and stake clerks.

What's interesting in all these things is that technology is a different beast mixed in with the "training". I think assistance with policy is top-down as described in the handbook, but assistance with technology might come from a different direction. For example, an assistant clerk with a messed up LDS Account who doesn't know what to do probably isn't going to get help from the bishopric. Maybe he could get help from a stake clerk. Likewise, a bishopric member with a problem LDS Account might go to one of his clerks for help, not to the stake clerk. Priesthood leadership may not have technology talents, but hopefully clerks can be found who do.

I could see the benefit of a sandbox environment for clerks to learn things about how the tools work. If the bishop has problems with tools to which I don't have access, I can have him log in with his LDS Account and try to help him. Fortunately, most of the time, as an assistant ward clerk, I have sufficient access to help all the ward auxiliaries.

I agree. I'm the Stake Tech Asst. Stake Clerk and our stake is part of the beta in Murray. They all contact me with questions and without access to see this system, I can't help them. Should the STS be able to see the most of the beta components like HT/VT and callings?

An STS doesn't even have real access to LCR. "Assistant stake clerk" might

russellhltn wrote:"Assistant stake clerk" might

He does. The access list can be found here. You might want to book mark it, because the STS doesn't even have that list in his menus.