Connecting a Ipad to sound sistem what to do for best result

On the ward i go there is not kit to connect external cd players or etc to the sound sistem

I want to connect my ipad(becuase i have music library there ) (for when needed), but
we don't have that connection kit they talk about here https://tech.lds.org/wiki/images/c/c0/C ... ctions.pdf


Wha'ts the best way to get the best posible sound ( the problem is that church building has a diferent sound sistem) my stake has a more complex one ... what do i do for best results'
what should i buy and how to set it up for best results? I have worked with sound sistems .but's becuase it's the church's sound sistem i want to be very caerfull with it

and it's not like the sound sistems i'm used to ( musician)

would reaaaaaaaaally apreciate some help here

The officaly supported way is via a crab box.

Each meetinghouse should have one, but they might be tucked into some dark and dusty corner.

nope ... we dont have it .......


that's why i was asking

ooo.... You need to get one. It works great and is so simple, even I can hook it up. And those here that know me, know that is saying a lot.

Contact your FM group and tell them that you must have one.

It doesn't just hook into Ipads, it can be connected to lap tops, CD players, even some phones. I would do a very thorough search of the library. Ours is in a canvas case that zips around and is about 7 inches square. You unzip it and there are several cords and a control box. It sat in our library for years and no one knew what it was.

TinMan wrote:I would do a very thorough search of the library. Ours is in a canvas case that zips around and is about 7 inches square.

Not just the library, but the clerk and bishop's offices as well.

If you have to go to FM, ask for the EJ-8. I find it has better sound quality than the EJ-10. (But the EJ-8 doesn't do phone connections.)

russellhltn wrote:

TinMan wrote:I would do a very thorough search of the library. Ours is in a canvas case that zips around and is about 7 inches square.

Not just the library, but the clerk and bishop's offices as well.

And if it's a stake center, check the stake offices as well. For some reason, ours is kept there.

eblood66 wrote:And if it's a stake center, check the stake offices as well. For some reason, ours is kept there.

In that case you might want to find out where the STS's "stash" is. It may be there.

russellhltn wrote:

TinMan wrote:I would do a very thorough search of the library. Ours is in a canvas case that zips around and is about 7 inches square.

Not just the library, but the clerk and bishop's offices as well.

If you have to go to FM, ask for the EJ-8. I find it has better sound quality than the EJ-10. (But the EJ-8 doesn't do phone connections.)

I have been on that ward for around 12 years and never seen it ...

Yes i have looked for it for a long time and no luck actually i think i have asked the Bishop for it and said we did not have something like that

The one i go its not a stake

Many times i have seen they have audio problems I'm a musician and have ofered helped ..
But i would like understand 100% it's sound sistem for the stake that it's much more complex
than the one in my stake
how to i master that one?? with out asking for the manual becuase i'm not a oficial sound
guys but i know i can help them when needed

davidmarmolejo wrote:Many times i have seen they have audio problems I'm a musician and have ofered helped ..
But i would like understand 100% it's sound sistem for the stake that it's much more complex
than the one in my stake
how to i master that one?? with out asking for the manual becuase i'm not a oficial sound
guys but i know i can help them when needed

The operation of the sound system is quite simple. The system accepts a XLR mic input. Using the mics provided by the FM group would be best. Otherwise the mic might be too hot and cause feedback.

Most of the adjustments are professionally tuned/set and locked away. Short of using your own mixer to feed the system, there are very few options. If the current settings are not working, then they need to work though the FM group to get those fixed the next time the church sound guys are in the area. (Things like the overflow sound being too weak, etc.)

If you could outline what the problems are, we could give you some advice.

Here are some solutions to your post:

1. Hold a microphone up to the speaker of your iPad (NOT recommended)

2. Find the crab box.

3. Have the FM Group replace the crab box

4. Purchase your own solution for $23.84.

If you choose to get a replacement from the FM Group, you will need make a request for a replacement to your High Counselor who is the Physical Facilities Representative (PFR). If your request is approved, he will ask the FM Group to order a replacement. The FM Group will then pay $150 plus tax and shipping to obtain one from the church distribution center. Once the order has been placed, received and taken to your building by the FM Group (can take days to several weeks), you will need to find out where they put it and ask if someone can unlock the room/cabinet it is stored in to access it.

For me, I chose to spend the $25 and purchase one on my own. There are only three things you will need: A Pyle PDC21 Direct Box (or equivalent purchased from eBay for $14.92), a 3.5 mm to 1/4" adapter cable (monoprice part # 601045 for $3.30) and a microphone cable (monoprice part # 4750 for $5.62).

The Direct Box solution has been so popular in my stake, every building now has one in their library which anyone can borrow to play audio through the building sound system, including iPods, boomboxes, cell phones, laptops, strereo systems and DJ equipment,. etc. The list goes on and on. The ladies in the exercise class play their exercise music through it and LOVE it!

A Direct Box is a handy tool used by musicians and sound engineers to connect various types of audio sources to professional mixing consoles and other equipment by tapping the audio signal (but still connects to the amp or speaker) and converting it to a clean (low-level and balanced) signal for professional audio equipment. The source can be anything from a powerful speaker, to a headphone jack or even low output signals like keyboards and guitars.

Let me know if you use solution #3 and how you like it.

(note: while I was writing this post, I received a call wanting to know how to hook up a laptop to the sound system for a Temple Dedication Dance practice. I told the sister where the box was and how to hook it up. The best part is that I don't have to go down and get it out or hook it up for her. She was happy just to know we had a "magic" box and how easy it will be to hook up, and she doesn't need my help.)

Mike

Wow you are extremely helpful ,btw wish i coul buy a very profesional direct box there is i think theyare around 400 ? There very best pro ones? Or even much more?

michaelfish wrote: For me, I chose to spend the $25 and purchase one on my own. There are only three things you will need: A Pyle PDC21 Direct Box (or equivalent purchased from eBay for $14.92), a 3.5 mm to 1/4" adapter cable (monoprice part # 601045 for $3.30) and a microphone cable (monoprice part # 4750 for $5.62).

We use something like this. How does this compare with your setup? This seems quite easy, just a single cable.

Actually that is the most practical way to go.. Thanx exacly what i was looking for.
Would that come out in stereo?

davidmarmolejo wrote:Actually that is the most practical way to go.. Thanx exacly what i was looking for.
Would that come out in stereo?

The meetinghouse sound system isn't stereo, so no, it wouldn't. Nor is it possible.

The description does say that both channels are mixed together (mixed to mono). So it should work fine.

I would think that heaven atleast would have stereo

i'm triying to explain to one of the counselors of the Bishop about it , but he does not know what i 'm taking about ..... how do i explain and do you know the name of it in spanish?

davidmarmolejo wrote:I would think that heaven atleast would have stereo

Stereo? How quaint. 7.1 surround sound.

davidmarmolejo wrote:i'm triying to explain to one of the counselors of the Bishop about it , but he does not know what i 'm taking about ..... how do i explain and do you know the name of it in spanish?

I assume you're talking about the "crab box". I don't know as it has a recognized official name - just "that thing in a gray or black zipper pouch". Technically it's a EJ-8 or EJ-10, but that's for those "in the know". (See links for photos).

I said at least stereo..


I wish we could order something like this

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/JDIDuplex/

BTW would gold end connections would be better? are they worth it?

davidmarmolejo wrote:I wish we could order something like this

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/JDIDuplex/

I don't see it as all that useful. Yes, it has two channels. But you need two mic inputs to use it. In the case of a meetinghouse system, it just gets mixed to mono anyway.

Secondly, I don't see anything in the way of a volume control knob. It's relying on the mixing board operator to adjust the level. We don't have that luxury. The EJ-8 is a much better fit.

jonesrk wrote:

michaelfish wrote: For me, I chose to spend the $25 and purchase one on my own. There are only three things you will need: A Pyle PDC21 Direct Box (or equivalent purchased from eBay for $14.92), a 3.5 mm to 1/4" adapter cable (monoprice part # 601045 for $3.30) and a microphone cable (monoprice part # 4750 for $5.62).

We use something like this. How does this compare with your setup? This seems quite easy, just a single cable.

Jonesrk, your solution will work but it will not sound quite right.

The cable you are using does attenuate (decrease) a line level signal to a microphone level signal, so you can plug it into a low-level microphone jack - but the impedance will not match and it is not balanced. The difference will be evident when listening to the lower frequencies. Using an unbalanced source with a miss-matched impedance in a balanced (professional XLR) input usually results in the sound being more 'tinny' instead of 'full'.

That is why I recommended using a Direct Box or crab. They not only attenuate the signal but match impedances (resistance/ohms) and balance the output. The resulting sound will be accurate and 'full'.

Church audio systems are of professional quality and use low-level, 150 ohm impedance, balanced inputs for good reasons. Matching these parameters will give you full, rich sound, better bass response and in the case of a microphone, more gain before feedback.

michaelfish wrote:- but the impedance will not match and it is not balanced. The difference will be evident when listening to the lower frequencies. Using an unbalanced source in a balance (professional XLR) input will result in the sound being more 'tinny'.

Maybe. You're assuming they haven't wedged a transformer into the XLR body.

Also, most portable electronics will not have much of a reference to ground. They might well function as a "floating" input rather than a true unbalanced input.

davidmarmolejo wrote:Wow you are extremely helpful ,btw wish i could buy a very professional direct box there is i think they are around 400 ? There very best pro ones? Or even much more?

davidmarmolejo, the prices I mentioned in my post are available online (eBay.com and monoprice.com) and are available to the public. The parts inside them are nothing more than resistors, a transformer, box, jacks, etc. Before considering purchasing one for $400, make sure it is made of gold.

russellhltn wrote:

michaelfish wrote:- but the impedance will not match and it is not balanced. The difference will be evident when listening to the lower frequencies. Using an unbalanced source in a balance (professional XLR) input will result in the sound being more 'tinny'.

Maybe. You're assuming they haven't wedged a transformer into the XLR body.

Also, most portable electronics will not have much of a reference to ground. They might well function as a "floating" input rather than a true unbalanced input.

I'm not assuming...I've torn one apart -- nothing more than a resistor.

davidmarmolejo wrote:i'm triying to explain to one of the counselors of the Bishop about it , but he does not know what i 'm taking about ..... how do i explain and do you know the name of it in spanish?

davidmarmolejo, get on the Internet and navigate to eBay.com. Type in "pyle direct box" or "nady direct box". Show the counselor the picture of the box. Explain that one of the cords will connect from the box to a headphone jack of the music player and a microphone cord will run from the box to the building's microphone jack. (Is this helpful?)

Church policy is that every building, stake or not, has an EJ-8. If you have an older building it may have an EJ-10. They’re essentially the same except the EJ-10 has a phone connector.

The EJ-8 is supposed (Knowing that ‘supposed to’ and reality are not always the same.) to be in the library with the other loose sound equipment (handheld microphones, microphone cables, hearing assistance receivers, etc…). The librarians are supposed to (see ‘supposed to’ reference above) check the sound equipment in and out the same way they do the chalk and crayons. All members should have access to the sound equipment from the library when they need it.

If your building does not have an EJ-8 please have the agent bishop contact the stake and have the FM provide one. We’d like to keep sound system devices within standards so the systems are easier to maintain and trouble shoot when needed.

The following link has a good description of the EJ-8
https://www.lds.org/callings/melchizede ... r?lang=eng

Connecting an iPad or almost any other tablet or smart phone is a fairly simple process with the EJ-8. The iPad has a headphone connection at the top that will accept a 3.5mm connector. Simply find the 3.5mm connector on the EJ-8 and connect it to the iPad, then find the other end of the EJ-8 cable and connect it to the EJ-8. The microphone connector on the EJ-8 can then be connected to any sound system microphone input in the building. The EJ-8 has a volume control that is used in conjunction with the volume controls on the iPad and building sound system.

While a "crab" is the standard issue tool to provide the isolation and impedance match needed to access an XLR system there are less expensive solutions if the primary need is to get a typical headset output from a laptop ( etc) into an XLR. Find a tech guy that knows about inexpensive "direct boxes".

I don't know about other buildings in our stake, but I have only seen the crab box at our stake center. My ward is not the stake center, but in our building, each Ward has their own mic (very different ones) and xlr cable (also very different) to use mostly for baby blessings.

Actually, our cultural hall audio has been broken for maybe 5+ years now and two of the wards (that I know of with ours being one of them) have purchased portable PA systems (same exact one by the way) to use at events. The fm guy has come many times and mentioned it would get fixed, but never has. The portable PA system that was purchased (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1 ... _120v.html) does work, but it is way too small to fill the space of our cultural hall so it is usually very difficult to understand anything being said.

Anyways, I am going to look for through our buildIng for the crab box that is supposed to be there. Hopefully, it is sitting in a drawer somewhere.

Moku

Find a tech guy that knows about inexpensive "direct boxes".

You can purchase a direct box for as little as $10 from eBay vendors (link).

These boxes are great for matching impedance and attenuating signals from headphone and line level (RCA jacks) sources to the church sound system microphone jacks in the cultural hall and chapel.