Pin Required

Aloha everybody!

From reading through the various threads on the forum, it is my understanding that a Website Administrator "should" see things that require a PIN each time the LDS Tools app is loaded.

However, what things, if any, should I be seeing that require a PIN?

Mahalo for any light someone can shed on this issue.

jokamura wrote:From reading through the various threads on the forum, it is my understanding that a Website Administrator "should" see things that require a PIN each time the LDS Tools app is loaded.

I don't think that's correct. The help file suggest it's limited to the bishopric, stake presidency and clerk. (Assistant clerks are not mentioned).

I'd expect the additional things to be things like MRN and birthdate.

russellhltn wrote: I don't think that's correct. The help file suggest it's limited to the bishopric, stake presidency and clerk. (Assistant clerks are not mentioned).

I'd expect the additional things to be things like MRN and birthdate.

Thanks for the quick reply!

In particular, I was thinking the addresses of members. Taken from this thread https://tech.lds.org/forum/viewtopic.ph ... al#p110256.

I guess what I'm really asking is why the need for a PIN if I don't actually see anything more than a regular user would see? (I don't actually see any birthdate information or MRN under the membership info section--in fact it's empty save for my own profile, though I've always been able to see my own MRN if I'm not mistaken) Though this could be one of those things being crippled because we're on an Android device.

I'm actually glad I don't see any sensitive information, but because I don't see any sensitive information, it seems silly to require me to enter a PIN each time I need to use LDS Tools, no?

Anyone can have a PIN. But in your situation I don't think it's required. At least not now. Perhaps it was required at one time.

russellhltn wrote:I don't think that's correct. The help file suggest it's limited to the bishopric, stake presidency and clerk. (Assistant clerks are not mentioned).

I've been required to add a PIN as assistant clerk. I could ask the LDS Tools folks, but in my experience an assistant clerk (at least membership or just "ward assistant clerk") has to have a PIN.

scgallafent wrote:I've been required to add a PIN as assistant clerk. I could ask the LDS Tools folks, but in my experience an assistant clerk (at least membership or just "ward assistant clerk") has to have a PIN.

As a STS (assistant stake clerk - technology specialist) I'm not required to have a PIN, but then I don't seem to see anything more then a normal member. I don't think I can even see youth in other wards.

As far as I know, I'm not a Ward Clerk of any kind. I am, however, the EQ Sec, which doesn't require a PIN.

Our Ward Clerk asked SLC to look into my user profile (for a lack of a better term) so we'll see what they have to say. It's odd though, at one time I briefly saw the leader/clerk resources and the associated links, but couldn't actually access any of them. Perhaps someone in SLC is updating/changing/fixing my profile and that's why it's acting funny.

russellhltn wrote:I don't think I can even see youth in other wards.

I can see youth from the entire Stake, admittedly I've only checked 2 other Wards, but I thought everyone could see youth?

jokamura wrote:

russellhltn wrote:I don't think I can even see youth in other wards.

I can see youth from the entire Stake, admittedly I've only checked 2 other Wards, but I thought everyone could see youth?

No, the rule as I understand it is that most members can only see youth in their own ward. The exception is for certain stake callings, such as stake presidency, stake executive secretary, stake clerk, assistant stake clerk, and assistant stake clerk for membership.

However, since you don't have a stake calling, I find it odd that you can see youth in other wards.

aebrown wrote:However, since you don't have a stake calling, I find it odd that you can see youth in other wards.

Agreed. Might want to verify they are really youth and not 18-year old HS seniors or adults still living at home. Youth have this tendency to grow up.

russellhltn wrote:

aebrown wrote:However, since you don't have a stake calling, I find it odd that you can see youth in other wards.

Agreed. Might want to verify they are really youth and not 18-year old HS seniors or adults still living at home. Youth have this tendency to grow up.

Unfortunately I do not have any way of verifying this. Though I'll ask around just to be sure.

Thanks on the clarification though!

As to the Pin. As an assistant ward clerk I was required to create a pin in order to access the LDS tools app on my android device. Due to ward boundary changes I'm no longer a clerk but still have to enter the pin in order to access LDS Tools.

Gary_Miller wrote:Due to ward boundary changes I'm no longer a clerk but still have to enter the pin in order to access LDS Tools.

I do not know if I uninstalled and reinstalled LDS Tools to rid myself of the need for a pin when I moved and was release from a calling that required a pin. But for the time I did not have a calling with a need for a pin I did not have to enter a pin. When I was called again to a position that required a pin I had to set one up again after I did a sync that updated the calling position.

If you do not have a calling position that requires a pin for security, and you do not want to use a pin, then I recomend doing a sync, uninstall LDS Tools, and then reinstall.

Gary_Miller wrote:As to the Pin. As an assistant ward clerk I was required to create a pin in order to access the LDS tools app on my android device. Due to ward boundary changes I'm no longer a clerk but still have to enter the pin in order to access LDS Tools.

Once you have a PIN, you have a PIN. The question is, now that you've been released, can you now go into the app setting and uncheck "use PIN"?

Everyone has the option of using a PIN, but for some callings it's mandatory.

russellhltn wrote:

Gary_Miller wrote:As to the Pin. As an assistant ward clerk I was required to create a pin in order to access the LDS tools app on my android device. Due to ward boundary changes I'm no longer a clerk but still have to enter the pin in order to access LDS Tools.

Once you have a PIN, you have a PIN. The question is, now that you've been released, can you now go into the app setting and uncheck "use PIN"?

I just checked and the answer is "Yes". I had not thought that it maybe an option, thank you.

jdlessley wrote:If you do not have a calling position that requires a pin for security, and you do not want to use a pin, then I recomend doing a sync, uninstall LDS Tools, and then reinstall.

I just did as instructed and when I went to install LDS Tools, I was asked to create a PIN again, so I did. In fact, I went as far as doing a fresh install of LDS Tools on my tablet with the current version from the Play Store and then an Alpha version from the beta site. Both required me to enter a PIN after installation.

russellhltn wrote: Once you have a PIN, you have a PIN. The question is, now that you've been released, can you now go into the app setting and uncheck "use PIN"?

Everyone has the option of using a PIN, but for some callings it's mandatory.

This was actually my thinking too, but I don't have the option to remove/disable/not use a PIN. The only option I have regarding a PIN is to "Change your PIN"

jokamura wrote:This was actually my thinking too, but I don't have the option to remove/disable/not use a PIN. The only option I have regarding a PIN is to "Change your PIN"

It seems that the app requires the PIN for your calling, even if it doesn't give you the data. It may be mismatch created by some changes when they took a number of things away.