XLR and Mini-input hardware

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#1
It's been a while now since the announcement that the near future will include a wall outlet to replace the XLR's in areas like RS and Primary rooms that will include both a Mini (headphone jack) and a XLR). Has anyone heard about these being made generally available?
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#2
The Emtech MW3 should be purchased through the FM if he wanted to get one for the RS rooms or other rooms. These connectors could be purchased with the FM funds (if the FM is okay with that) or from the stake LUBA funds.

Marshall Industries, General Communications, and Poll Sound may have them but go through the FM if things are being changed or modified in the meetinghouse.
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#3
thanks for the reply... I was browsing the Emtech website looking for a smaller version of the EJ-8 and saw that MW3..
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#4
What device are you looking at? I see dual faceplates, but nothing that looks like it gives a single mic-level output.
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#5
russellhltn wrote:What device are you looking at? I see dual faceplates, but nothing that looks like it gives a single mic-level output.
It wasn't the MW3, only something that looked like it. I can't find it on the website...
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#6
There is one that looks promising here

http://www.emtechelectronics.com/produc ... /msc-m35s/
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#7
I saw the MSC-M35S, but I think that's just dual jacks. You'd need two lines going back to appropriate inputs to support it.

The MSC-W looks interesting, but I think it requires a line run back to the system and connected to a input there.

Was this supposed to work with an existing mic input where someone could use a mic or use a line in?
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#8
The MSC-MW3 is available to the FM groups through the LDS eMarket or by FM calling MTS directly. The pricing is not to bad they retail at 81.00$ these are nice to have as they only need an existing single mic line. Emtech will sell to the public, but ALL permanent building mods require FM approval.
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Roland
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#9
Interesting. But I don't know how well it would work in our RS room. The installer paralleled the two mic jacks into a single input. Unless this presents a high impedance on the system side, it's presence is likely to attenuate any mic plugged into the floor connector. Odd thing - they ran two wires to the amp. But the amp only only had one input that accepted bare wires. It has multiple mic inputs - but just one that takes wires.
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#10
If there are extra mic inputs and you have bare wires, I would solder an XLR connector on and have two mics go to two inputs, or parallel one mic and have the other attenuated into the second mic input for line level.
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#11
michaelfish wrote:If there are extra mic inputs and you have bare wires, I would solder an XLR connector on and have two mics go to two inputs,
I may cautiously consider that - since this is something that is FM's area. The amp is mounted in a closet that's had it's shelf mounted in a 30 degree angle. The back of the amp is pressed against the back of the closet. So, not much space to work with here. A right-angle connector might work. Otherwise, I'd have to forgo the shell.

But I'm probably not going to do anything until I get some indication that the existing setup is a problem.
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#12
russellhltn wrote:
michaelfish wrote:If there are extra mic inputs and you have bare wires, I would solder an XLR connector on and have two mics go to two inputs,
I may cautiously consider that - since this is something that is FM's area. The amp is mounted in a closet that's had it's shelf mounted in a 30 degree angle. The back of the amp is pressed against the back of the closet. So, not much space to work with here. A right-angle connector might work. Otherwise, I'd have to forgo the shell.

But I'm probably not going to do anything until I get some indication that the existing setup is a problem.
Common mic wiring in our LDS buildings 1, they will pull two leads to a room but put them on one circuit. I see it quite often, and prefer it that way. When a newer mixer comes along with more than eight inputs, its easy to separate them to their own channel. 2, The other common method is one lead to the room and bounced to each mic socket.

If you take a picture of the front and back of the mixer (normally says Ivie on it), I can tell you what you have.
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Roland
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#13
About 3 years ago a member donated a Rolls DB14, it costs less than anything previously discussed and works for plugging pretty much any audio device into the sound system. You could look at that too.
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#14
rolandc wrote:When a newer mixer comes along with more than eight inputs, its easy to separate them to their own channel.
In this case, the amp has 3 mic inputs. Two of them unused. No need to wait for a new mixer.

The only reason I could see for the current arrangement is the lack of space to put a XLR connector back there and only one channel has the screw strip for mic input.
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#15
rolandc wrote: Common mic wiring in our LDS buildings 1, they will pull two leads to a room but put them on one circuit. I see it quite often, and prefer it that way. When a newer mixer comes along with more than eight inputs, its easy to separate them to their own channel. 2, The other common method is one lead to the room and bounced to each mic socket.
I didn't realize that pulling 2 lines was a common practice...that's encouraging. It seems every new system the church comes up with has fewer and fewer mic inputs. We used to have 5 or 6 inputs each in the chapel AND cultural hall and separate in-wall amps in the Relief Society and Primary rooms. Now we probably have 8 inputs total for the whole building. I'd welcome a mixer with 9 or 10 inputs. What I really miss is the 3 mic jacks under the stage...now we get two. That just doesn't work for some things.

The new XLR / mini jack looks very interesting. Besides Relief Society and Primary, it would be great to have at least one mic jack under the stage in the cultural hall have that XLR/Mini, too. There is a line-level input in the back of the cultural hall that's part of the control panel with an XLR/line level input. The problem is that probably 90% of the people who want to use the line-level input want it at the stage.