how do you count 12 year olds in primary Sunday school?

The primary secretary just asked me this:

Just a quick question--we had two children move on to the YM/YW program in January. Do we continue to count them on our primary roles since they spend the second hour of Sunday with their primary class, or are they only counted by the YM/YW organization?

It doesn't seem right to count them twice, in primary and ym/yw, although if they really are attending both, it sort of makes sense for both organizations to get budget for them.

sasgrw wrote:The primary secretary just asked me this:

Just a quick question--we had two children move on to the YM/YW program in January. Do we continue to count them on our primary roles since they spend the second hour of Sunday with their primary class, or are they only counted by the YM/YW organization?

It doesn't seem right to count them twice, in primary and ym/yw, although if they really are attending both, it sort of makes sense for both organizations to get budget for them.

When they turn twelve, they are no longer in Primary and are no longer counted there. They begin attending a Sunday School class (that just happens to be taught by the same Primary teacher using the same lesson manual) and become part of the Young Men or Young Women.

After they turn 12, Sunday School and YM/YW track their attendance, not Primary.

sasgrw wrote:It doesn't seem right to count them twice, in primary and ym/yw, although if they really are attending both, it sort of makes sense for both organizations to get budget for them.

The quarterly report help is very clear that the Primary count is only for children "younger than age 12 as of the last day of the reporting quarter" and the YM/YW count is similarly clear that it is includes those age 12 and older (other restrictions exist on the high end of the age scale, but it's simple for the low end -- age 12 as of the last day of the reporting quarter).

And the budget question is similarly very clear in various documents, including the budget allocation report that is sent to wards and stakes each quarter: the extra activity budget allocated to Primary is for children ages 8-11, and for youth is for those age 12-18 (again with some restrictions at the high end).