Stake Calling not able to see youth in other wards

I am the Stake Y/M President on the MLS and I cannot see the Y/M in wards other than my own.

You may want to ask the stake clerk to verify that your calling is entered as a standard (not custom) calling.

This is by design. The Stake YM president is over the Ward YM presidencies. The logic is you would work with the presidencies and not directly with the youth.

LisaAn wrote:This is by design. The Stake YM president is over the Ward YM presidencies. The logic is you would work with the presidencies and not directly with the youth.

I'm curious about the verbiage in the directory help file: "a member without a stake calling won't see the children in a household outside of his or her ward. However, a member of the stake Primary presidency will see children in all wards and branches in the stake."

It raises the question of which stake callings do allow the member to see children. (And I'm curious as to how the Stake Primary President is different from the Stake YM President.)

Either way, I think the help file could use some tweaking.

I know this won't change anything, but I too have been frustrated by this. I'm the high council adviser to the Young Women. I've also served as the Stake Trek Committee chairman. In both of these assignments I would be much more effective if I could look up the name of youth that I'm working with in LDS Tools. I just don't have the memory that I once had, but often know the family they belong to. I understand privacy concerns, but this seems too strict.

RussellHltn wrote:I'm curious about the verbiage in the directory help file: "a member without a stake calling won't see the children in a household outside of his or her ward. However, a member of the stake Primary presidency will see children in all wards and branches in the stake."

If the above is the case, then what does the privacy setting do? I can choose to make my children visible to leaders only, just the ward, or the whole stake. Do I take that to mean that there is no general stake visibility for children? If so, why does the option exist?

mevans wrote:Do I take that to mean that there is no general stake visibility for children? If so, why does the option exist?

One slight effect of the option is that when they turn 18 that visibility setting will become effective. But other than that, it does seem that only stake leaders (apparently defined as stake presidency, clerks, and executive secretary) outside the ward can see the children, and thus there is no difference between "ward" and "stake" visibility settings.

mevans wrote:If the above is the case, then what does the privacy setting do? I can choose to make my children visible to leaders only, just the ward, or the whole stake. Do I take that to mean that there is no general stake visibility for children? If so, why does the option exist?

I'm sure there are differences between "Leadership" and the other settings. It would block visibility to other members of the ward.

I don't know as there would be any difference between "Stake" and "Ward" until they turn 18.

RussellHltn wrote:I don't know as there would be any difference between "Stake" and "Ward" until they turn 18.

I'm assuming you mean until the a child reaches the age of majority based on where he or she lives? It's not 18 in all countries. I just googled and was surprised to realize that in the US it can differ by state.

mevans wrote:I'm assuming you mean until the a child reaches the age of majority based on where he or she lives? It's not 18 in all countries. I just googled and was surprised to realize that in the US it can differ by state.

Although you raise a good point, I don't know if that affects the way this is actually implemented. I really doubt that there is any difference in the US for different states.

Sorry about the incorrect information in the help file in this regard. Only directory administrators can view information about children in other wards. Stake YM/YW presidents cannot see this information. I updated the help topic to reflect this now. Directory admins include bishoprics/stake presidencies, executive secretaries, clerks (all types), and website administrators.

Just a note, this is a welcome relief. The amount of confidential information about minors that I've seen very casually distributed by Stake YM and YW Presidencies threw me into a pretty decent tizzy when I first became a Stake Clerk. A member of the stake who asked for a list of all Priests and Laurels in the stake for the purpose of recruiting them to the Stake Missionary Class (a very worthy request) was deeply offended when I told him no.

I have helped our Stake Presidency understand what the Church is saying by limiting the access. It means that the access should be limited. I realize it is a rather disappointing conclusion for some, but it is very good progress for those of us who don't think that our daughters mobile numbers, email addresses and birthdates are needed information by anyone other than her Bishopric or her parents (or those we allow specifically).

Also, because the data was collected by a trusted source (A parent agrees to provide data to a Ward Young Women's President) - that data isn't hers to share with anyone else. If the desire is to collect that data, the parents or individual should grant permission prior to data being shared. And so on... And so on... And so on.

We need to be vigilant about gathering lists like these, when doing so there needs to be specific wording about what the list is for, who will have access to the data, etc....

Of course, it would be pretty nice that along with making a programing change, that a Policy accompany that change. It is very difficult for a Stake President to take direction from Assumed information based on how a particular online application works. Regardless of what the help file or FAQ might say.